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openSUSE 10.3 Beta 2 Has Been Released
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The openSUSE Team is proud to announce the release of openSUSE 10.3 Beta 2. Though this release should not be used on any production machines, everyone can help shape this release by testing out installations and much more. For more information on the release schedule, take a look at the Roadmap.
Technical Changes
- Linux 2.6.22.3
- glibc 2.6.1
- YaST infrastructure improved to allow writing complete YaST modules without using YCP (e.g. exclusively in Perl, Python or Ruby)
- Bootloader-related improvements: openSUSE 10.3 will use “chainloader” if it detects additional installations’ bootloader code in other partitions, otherwise “configfile” sections will be used (see Call for Testing below!)
- Improved package lists of 1-CD GNOME and KDE
- Countless bug fixes, all over the place
A more detailed list of the changes is available on the Factory/News wiki page.
Most Annoying Bugs
- Sax2: Configuration issues on Intel-based GFX-cards (Bug #270846) (A fixed sax2 package has been released via the 10.3 update repository; see this post for more information)
- Patterns of remote repositories won’t show up in UI (Bug #302385)
- libzypp: rpm signature verification broken (Bug #302379)
- Signature verification of Release Notes fails
- libzypp: Broken calculation of installing RPM size (Bug #293039)
- libzypp: can’t skip broken packages (skip => abort) (Bug #297001)
- ConsoleKit fails on update (Bug #302148)
- Registration / Adding of Update Repositories fails (Bug #302152)
- Flash/nspluginviewer blocks Konqueror and takes 100% CPU (Bug #294385)
- Win keys are hard binded to GNOME menu (Bug 217044)
- Intel wifi card support: iwl3945-ucode and iwl4965-ucode packages aren’t being installed automatically. Make sure to install them manually, in order to enable your Intel wireless cards.
For an up-to-date list see Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs_10.3_dev
Call for Testing
If you want to help testing our standard test cases, please coordinate with others and subscribe to opensuse-testing@opensuse.org (subscribe)!
- Hal
- compare lshal output with lshal output from <= Beta1
- check if you get an info on the desktop when you insert a
USB-disk/stick, DVD/CDs etc. and if the volumes get mounted correctly
- test if you’re able to umount/eject the media from the desktop
- try to mount LUKS (encrypted filesystem) media
- check if suspend is working correctly (via KPowersave or g-p-m)
- test if you can change the brightness of your laptop panel on <= Beta1, are you able to do the same with the new HAL version? - Package Management (libzypp) and Updates from 10.2
- before you report a bug, make sure to check for duplicates - perl-Bootloader/Yast-Bootloader
As we switched to using chainloader or configfile sections for other installations, instead of just using the default entry as image section, please check if all other installed operation systems are still bootable.
Media and Download
openSUSE 10.3 Beta 2 for i386, x86-64 and ppc comes as different media sets, all of which can be downloaded from http://software.opensuse.org/developer:
- 1 DVD containing OSS and NonOSS software (torrents for: i386, x86_64, ppc)
- 1 CD with a default KDE installation (i386, x86_64, not for ppc)
- 1 CD with a default GNOME installation (i386, x86_64, not for ppc)
- 1 AddOn CD with only NonOSS packages on it (i386 or x86_64, ppc)
- 1 AddOn CD with language packages that are used for extra languages (the DVD contains support for Chinese (Simpl. & Trad.), Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Finnish, French, German, Hungarian, Italian, Japanese, Polish, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish and Swedish; the DVD has support for installation in all languages, just extra packages are only on this extra media) (i386, x86_64, ppc)
- DVD/CDs containing the sources corresponding to the media
We have created Delta ISOs from openSUSE 10.3 Beta 1; please use them for download. The DVDs and the source media are only available via bittorrent. For more information, links to sources and the Delta ISOs, see the development version wiki page.
Comments, Feedback and Helping
Please report all bugs you find on in our bugzilla as explained on http://bugs.opensuse.org; discussion is most appropriate on the opensuse-factory@opensuse.org (subscribe) mailing list. For other queries and ways to communicate with the openSUSE community take a look at the Communicate wiki page.
The next planned release is openSUSE 10.3 Beta 3 on Thursday, Sep 6.
I would be happy to test if there were a Live CD ISOs: 1 CD for KDE, 1 CD for GNOME. Plus a script to copy the contents of the ISO to a USB stick. With the widespread use of cheap 1GB USB sticks, these are ideal for testing distributions. I have 1GB live USB sticks of Fedora, Ubuntu, and Kubuntu. Would be great is SUSE had those too.
Check kiwi out, you can create your own live CD or usb image apart form other images.
http://dev.beryl-project.org/~cyberorg/suse/52/spin-images-on-opensuse-103-beta1-using-kiwi/
Cheers
-J
Very cool technology! This is the infrastructure that’s needed. Now someone needs to “apply” it
because for that to work I apparently need SUSE installed on hard disk, which kind of defeats the purpose. It would be *awesome* if someone could make
* One KDE live CD/USB ISO image
* Once GNOME CD/USB ISO image
and upload them somewhere.
There will be Live CDs for 10.3 (maybe not at same day) like for Beta 1. Dunno if/when we will see them for Beta 2. And as said in a recent status meeting: “<coolo> we’re currently discussing if we provide USB live images too - feedback welcome”
I’d appreciate USB live images a lot - since even 8GB sticks are affordable, the whole DVD could be put on a stick. Not only for testing, but as well later productive. Why? On business trips, I carry my company notebook (windows) and can’t carry a 2nd notebook. I’d love to have my normal linux environment with me on 8GB or 16GB in the near future for usage during my spare time. I’d even buy such a stick (pre-configured) and shell out some € more to support the opensuse project.
Notebook ASUS Z53S WLAN not working
With openSUSE 10.3 BETA 1
zypper is very annoying. Come on, i’m tired of waiting for zypper to finish tasks. Downloading the filelist and all those metadata files takes forever. Why not just download a SINGLE .bz2 file (best compress) containing the repository info?
Also, when intalling the installer adds some repos and refreshes it. It’s annoying to wait for this on the installation process. If i click Abort it just abort the current task and continues with the refreshing. I had to click Abort countless times or wait for it to complete which is much more annoying.
Zypper is great in beta2, even if some improvement can be made for 10.3 final.
But actually, it’s fast and it do his job.
openSuSE-10.3-Alpha5: the best development release up to today for 2 simple reasons: openSuSE differs from other linux distributions through two main features, KDE is the default window manager und Yast2 the infrastructure to manage the whole system.
The software management module of Yast is unfortunately since the recent changes in libzypp no more stable (I agree that this a WIP) and I am afraid that the development team will not have enough time to reach the same stability, efficiency and speed Yast2 offered in the release mentioned at the beginning. In other hand KDE is simply not replacable.
My opinion is that openSuSE-10.3-Alpha5 should be the basis of the upcoming final release because it has been the single one which came out with a few insignificant bugs and reflected my expectations ( I am using SuSE Linux since version 7.1).
Yast2 is neither rug nor yum.
> My opinion is that openSuSE-10.3-Alpha5 should be the basis of the upcoming final release
Good news for you: it *is* the basis
YaST2
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I have used SUSE for about ten years, and it is my experience that one of it’s greatest advantages is also it’s biggest annoyance; YaST.
YaST as an administrative suite is amazing, and no other distribution has anything that is near as mature or full-featured. However, as a software installation utility it is sadly lacking. It is slow, buggy, and bloated.
Why Novell doesn’t separate these functionalities is beyond me.
Novell, are you listening?
Regards,
-Long-time loyal user
I agree with you 100%. I love Suse very much but installing software and making updates are a pain in the ass. Not that these things are difficult, no they are very easy but take eternity. If I compare Suse’s software installation system with that of Ubuntu (which is not my default system but Suse instead) then I have to say that Suse is behind time in this area.
I do hope that the guys at Novell will fix this problem so that Suse can be the perfect Desktop OS.
At this point I would like to thank the Suse (openSuse) team for the tremendous job that it’s doing, for it’s dedication and hard word in improving an already solid and very good OS.
The most annoying thing with YaST is when it simply don’t work.
Have they fixed the route YaST module in 10.3? One of the more stupid bugs in 10.2.
Hi Mr Anonymous,
Tell us clearly what you mean by: Have they fixed the route YaST module in 10.3? Because YaST always works depending of what you intend to do with it and hoe you proceed.
Because YaST always works
So if that’s the case the route module in YaST is supposed to do nothing(openSuse 10.2).
Adding entries to your routing table is a rather simple task, and it’s rather laughable that YaST fails to do it(It worked in 10.1 btw).
Simply open the routing module, tick of expert configuration and add a new route. Then watch YaST take down your network and put it up again, without changing the routing table. It’s like not magic.
Hi Bob,
I agree with you about the software installation utility of YaST. In fact the current sw_management module is a rework introducing new technologies inherited from Novell’s ZenWorks. That is a good thing, but trying to combine rug and yum for that purpose seems to be the objective in short term of the dev-team. Let us hope that with the final release things will work smoother.
hmmm, i just can’t userstand, why do you have to force that good-for-nothing libzypp in the distribution? it reminds me of the crapy “rpmdrake” from mandrake/madriva(the main reason i switched to other distro). I’m a suse user now for about 4 years, but the “package management” it’s just getting worse. I always have install smart and add the repositories i need. It’s getting borring.
I agree. I am a loyal 5 years user, and dropped other OS (including windows) in favor of suse, but its software management system is bloated. when ever a new version of suse is publishing, I first check yast software management, and always in these years I had to install alternatives like smart. I dont know why you stick to that and why not just simply replace it by other methods? I accept that I am not a technician, but I have seen package managers of other distro. looking forward to hear good news…
hopefully all problems and bugs from the comments disappears going forward..nobody’s perfect anyway. Congrats to the opensuse teams.. awesome distro!
it looks as if the usb stick problems i continuously have are being worked on. sometimes on older machines its a coin flip where or not a cheap usb stick will mount correctly. many times i have to mount it manually. the kde interface needs work. I wish i had a dime for every time i had to pkill -HUP kio_thumbnail because it was eating 99% of the cpu. the gnome interface seems to work better and more efficiently than kde in 10.2. i hope the interface improvements continues.
i wish the gnome/novell people the best. i am a gnome convert based on their work on opensuse. maybe we can get past all the fud regarding the ms deal and move on to making better software.
i am looking forward to 10.3. congrats on another milestone!
“I wish i had a dime for every time i had to pkill -HUP kio_thumbnail because it was eating 99% of the cpu.”
I wish I had one bugreport from when it happened with the file that caused the busyloop, then we at the KDE Team @SUSE could fix the problem.
Bugreporting > moaning.
Will
opensuse-codecs-installer
“A cross platform component for multimedia frameworks to use to initiate package installation for missing codecs, specific to openSUSE. Supported by GStreamer and Xine.”? Right now just sends you to a webpage that says the format you wanted to play, can we expect something else?
sometimes Yast is helping, sometimes confusing.When i need dependencies software, it already checked in Yast.But, konsole didn’t detect it.I still need install dependencies manually in konsole.Please, Novell, fix this!!
I hope that this Version of openSUSE will run on my Laptop… I tried Version 10.2 that did not work properly.
It took ages to load on my Laptop.
Laptop Specs: Acer Aspire 5050, 1.5GB DDR2 RAM, ATI Xpress 1100 integrated Graohics, 60 GB Harddisk
Something about the ATA Driver was not working right… it always got identified as being a SATA (and the Harddisk too) which it isn’t
Any Ideas or Drivers ?
I’m fresh out of Ideas…
Dump every other package manager besides ONE, and that ONE should be either yum or smart.
Make the beast less bloated.
I dont understand all the fuzz about sw_single.
Yes it takes a long time to load, but I think that lately i.e. in beta2 there has been huge differences to the last versions.
The way you easily add repositories nicely listed on opensuses homepage makes adding win32 codes etc. much easier than any other distro I’ve used ever.
I’ve tried Mandrake, Ubuntu, Xandros, Fedora, you name it. But nothing has beaten yast sw_single.
Again yes it took forever to load, but it worked. Also the way you easily can fix dependency errors. But the forever load is more or less fixed now.
I also agree with the above, about why loading 500 files instead of just one bz’ed file. But I guess that something like that is on its way since they are developing so much on the application at the moment. Its going in the right direction.
One of the really great things in 10.3 is the boot time. Damn it is fast….
I really love the way that opensuse is going right now.
Happy happy faces from here
Congrats on this release! I’m creating a VM for it right now.
“software management” of YaST is still slow.i’d say slower than 10.2
i hope it will be faster
I have a show stopper when installing the KDE CD, after doing a custom partition edit the installer shows the “Evaluating Package Selection” message then it stops. I can still click the options, back and abort buttons but nothing happens. I tried the installer with different options and with the minimum number of partitions to mount but with no avail
Did you verify the MD5SUM of the ISO before burning?
Yes I did. It seems that my second hard drive which has some bad sectors is the cause of the problem. I physically disconnected the drive and installed openSUSE
With other distributions I usually don’t specify mount points for the second drive and everything goes fine. Unfortunatelly, it did not work with this time.
Just wanted to thank you guys for the latest beta. I’m loving it, no complaints, still think it is the best out there. Keep up the good work, actually can’t wait to see the final release, and then KDE4, oh my, it’s like christmas time, lol.
Testing openSUSE 10.3 Beta 1
After some small problems with installing from ISO-DVD I catched a bad Problem updating with Yast. It worked well, but on friday 30. Aug. after loading Yast-updates and some KDE4 pakets Yast crashed with following error:
YaST got signal 11 at YCP file /usr/share/YaST2/clients/inst_packages.ycp:39
/sbin/yast2: line 385: 4301 Speicherzugriffsfehler $ybindir/y2base $module “$@” “$SELECTED_GUI” $Y2_GEOMETRY $Y2QT_ARGS
Now I can no more change without using rpm unload? But which is the error causing Programm? Who can help me? Is there a bug in Yast?
I’m waiting for the final Version 10.3
Thanks