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	<title>Comments on: openSUSE Weekly News, Issue 14</title>
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		<title>By: apokryphos</title>
		<link>http://news.opensuse.org/2008/03/19/opensuse-weekly-news-issue-14/comment-page-1/#comment-2738</link>
		<dc:creator>apokryphos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really not the place to make complaints like that if you want it to get noticed/get something done about it. Post to the mailing to get these ideas heard :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really not the place to make complaints like that if you want it to get noticed/get something done about it. Post to the mailing to get these ideas heard <img src='http://news.opensuse.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://news.opensuse.org/2008/03/19/opensuse-weekly-news-issue-14/comment-page-1/#comment-2737</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I really wish for...
Being in China makes updates really difficult - thanks to the great firewall.
YaST only opens one stream and that means I takes me 40 hours to update 100MB.
Becuase the great firewall drops all internationl transfers to 5-20KB/s 

If I use DownThemAll with splitted streams in Firefox I easily reach 300KB/s, means fullspeed.

Don&#039;t say Chinese mirrors. The Chinese mirror are within the educational network that has a somehow modem connection-speed, or isn&#039;t even reachable from outside .edu.cn

If I use Ubuntu, which has a good server in china speed is fantastic. And further more, ubuntu starts multiple downloads at the same time.

I would like to see a more intelligent download function, like aria2c or DownThemAll integrated. 
Or simply open more parallell download.

Waiting 8 hours for 199kB update really sucks......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I really wish for&#8230;<br />
Being in China makes updates really difficult &#8211; thanks to the great firewall.<br />
YaST only opens one stream and that means I takes me 40 hours to update 100MB.<br />
Becuase the great firewall drops all internationl transfers to 5-20KB/s </p>
<p>If I use DownThemAll with splitted streams in Firefox I easily reach 300KB/s, means fullspeed.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t say Chinese mirrors. The Chinese mirror are within the educational network that has a somehow modem connection-speed, or isn&#8217;t even reachable from outside .edu.cn</p>
<p>If I use Ubuntu, which has a good server in china speed is fantastic. And further more, ubuntu starts multiple downloads at the same time.</p>
<p>I would like to see a more intelligent download function, like aria2c or DownThemAll integrated.<br />
Or simply open more parallell download.</p>
<p>Waiting 8 hours for 199kB update really sucks&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: KDE</title>
		<link>http://news.opensuse.org/2008/03/19/opensuse-weekly-news-issue-14/comment-page-1/#comment-2696</link>
		<dc:creator>KDE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>funny name... &quot; Comment by Comment by Coment by&quot; :P but anyways, yeah, it was busy week! well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>funny name&#8230; &#8221; Comment by Comment by Coment by&#8221; <img src='http://news.opensuse.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  but anyways, yeah, it was busy week! well done.</p>
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		<title>By: Comment by Coment by</title>
		<link>http://news.opensuse.org/2008/03/19/opensuse-weekly-news-issue-14/comment-page-1/#comment-2693</link>
		<dc:creator>Comment by Coment by</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OpenSUSE 11 Alpha 3
Will be
A GREAT SUCCESS

Overall, a Good BUSY WEEK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OpenSUSE 11 Alpha 3<br />
Will be<br />
A GREAT SUCCESS</p>
<p>Overall, a Good BUSY WEEK</p>
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		<title>By: SaintDanBert</title>
		<link>http://news.opensuse.org/2008/03/19/opensuse-weekly-news-issue-14/comment-page-1/#comment-2684</link>
		<dc:creator>SaintDanBert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SUGGESTION(s) For OpenSUSE 11:

1. update the installer to use layers instead of shell glob or similar order for package install.

2. clearly identify the &quot;installer package&quot; so that folks-like-me might try our hand at #1 or
   any other changes we think are interesting or useful

EXPLANATION:

   What do I mean by &quot;use layers&quot;? Think about an onion. 

[NOTE -- I don&#039;t intend this to be a complete and exhaustive specification. I want to
get this idea out there for consideration. We can write a detailed spec once we decide
that this is a &quot;good idea&quot;.]

Install Phase-1
  At the core is the hardware. Hardware
demands firmware and drivers. Drivers require a kernel. Kernel requires loadable modules.
Somewhere in all of this is &quot;the network&quot;.
...
At some point you have enough so that one can boot to a running kernel that will use all of
the hardware.
...

Reboot away from install media and use the target system HDD and other resources.

Install Phase-2
  A minimum-bootable system requires administrative and utility components to enable configuration.
Some configuration details depend on the installed hardware. Some depend on user preference.

On reboot, launch an end-user interview application that (1) asks about how this
system will get used, and (2) uses the interview and installed hardware to create
a set of install work orders for Phase-2. Again, avoid glob or similar installs.
Instead install all of whatever is needed to deliver a complete feature -- not package,
&quot;feature&quot;. We will likely need to find a suitable definition of &quot;feature&quot; but
I offer this: an office productivity suite is a package; it isn&#039;t useful without
the ability to print documents; printing is another package; these two packages likely
have dependencies; when you have a complete whatever that delivers value to the
end-user, you have a &quot;feature&quot;. Either the entire feature installs successfully,
or the entire feature fails.

[Note - One common complaint about linux from my clients revolves around the situation
where they want to do XXX, download components to do XXX, and then must walk
a mine field probing for whatever else they need.]

** There are some components that everyone will want regardless of intended use
such as print.

** A server system requires some list of server-specific components.
Anything desktop might be optional in a server configuration.

** A desktop system requires some list of desktop-specific components.
Anything server might be optional in a desktop configuration.

Run the list of work orders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SUGGESTION(s) For OpenSUSE 11:</p>
<p>1. update the installer to use layers instead of shell glob or similar order for package install.</p>
<p>2. clearly identify the &#8220;installer package&#8221; so that folks-like-me might try our hand at #1 or<br />
   any other changes we think are interesting or useful</p>
<p>EXPLANATION:</p>
<p>   What do I mean by &#8220;use layers&#8221;? Think about an onion. </p>
<p>[NOTE -- I don't intend this to be a complete and exhaustive specification. I want to<br />
get this idea out there for consideration. We can write a detailed spec once we decide<br />
that this is a "good idea".]</p>
<p>Install Phase-1<br />
  At the core is the hardware. Hardware<br />
demands firmware and drivers. Drivers require a kernel. Kernel requires loadable modules.<br />
Somewhere in all of this is &#8220;the network&#8221;.<br />
&#8230;<br />
At some point you have enough so that one can boot to a running kernel that will use all of<br />
the hardware.<br />
&#8230;</p>
<p>Reboot away from install media and use the target system HDD and other resources.</p>
<p>Install Phase-2<br />
  A minimum-bootable system requires administrative and utility components to enable configuration.<br />
Some configuration details depend on the installed hardware. Some depend on user preference.</p>
<p>On reboot, launch an end-user interview application that (1) asks about how this<br />
system will get used, and (2) uses the interview and installed hardware to create<br />
a set of install work orders for Phase-2. Again, avoid glob or similar installs.<br />
Instead install all of whatever is needed to deliver a complete feature &#8212; not package,<br />
&#8220;feature&#8221;. We will likely need to find a suitable definition of &#8220;feature&#8221; but<br />
I offer this: an office productivity suite is a package; it isn&#8217;t useful without<br />
the ability to print documents; printing is another package; these two packages likely<br />
have dependencies; when you have a complete whatever that delivers value to the<br />
end-user, you have a &#8220;feature&#8221;. Either the entire feature installs successfully,<br />
or the entire feature fails.</p>
<p>[Note - One common complaint about linux from my clients revolves around the situation<br />
where they want to do XXX, download components to do XXX, and then must walk<br />
a mine field probing for whatever else they need.]</p>
<p>** There are some components that everyone will want regardless of intended use<br />
such as print.</p>
<p>** A server system requires some list of server-specific components.<br />
Anything desktop might be optional in a server configuration.</p>
<p>** A desktop system requires some list of desktop-specific components.<br />
Anything server might be optional in a desktop configuration.</p>
<p>Run the list of work orders.</p>
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		<title>By: KDE</title>
		<link>http://news.opensuse.org/2008/03/19/opensuse-weekly-news-issue-14/comment-page-1/#comment-2683</link>
		<dc:creator>KDE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, thanks! I will download the alpha 3 now, then start reporting bugs for new version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, thanks! I will download the alpha 3 now, then start reporting bugs for new version.</p>
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		<title>By: Beineri</title>
		<link>http://news.opensuse.org/2008/03/19/opensuse-weekly-news-issue-14/comment-page-1/#comment-2682</link>
		<dc:creator>Beineri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can file wishes as &quot;Enhancements&quot; into the Novell Bugzilla: http://en.opensuse.org/Submitting_Bug_Reports</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can file wishes as &#8220;Enhancements&#8221; into the Novell Bugzilla: <a href="http://en.opensuse.org/Submitting_Bug_Reports" rel="nofollow">http://en.opensuse.org/Submitting_Bug_Reports</a></p>
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		<title>By: apokryphos</title>
		<link>http://news.opensuse.org/2008/03/19/opensuse-weekly-news-issue-14/comment-page-1/#comment-2681</link>
		<dc:creator>apokryphos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please file a wish for these as described on http://bugs.opensuse.org -- the comment section of the news site is not the place for these ideas to be heard! And I really do recommend filing them now: about 5 of my long-time (up to 2 years) wishes (including showing download-rate) were fulfilled in the last week or so :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please file a wish for these as described on <a href="http://bugs.opensuse.org" rel="nofollow">http://bugs.opensuse.org</a> &#8212; the comment section of the news site is not the place for these ideas to be heard! And I really do recommend filing them now: about 5 of my long-time (up to 2 years) wishes (including showing download-rate) were fulfilled in the last week or so <img src='http://news.opensuse.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: KDE</title>
		<link>http://news.opensuse.org/2008/03/19/opensuse-weekly-news-issue-14/comment-page-1/#comment-2680</link>
		<dc:creator>KDE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Zypper/YaST in Factory now display download-rate&quot; YAY!!! what a success! I always wanted that. Will yast show this in frontend?
Is there somewhere where I should file Wishes? I have quite a few...
opensuse-updater:
1)rather than complain about no update repo, just let it offer to add update repo For you. (if user didn&#039;t do it during install (which i never do, its a waste)).
zypper:
1)maybe do deltafiles on all refreshing of repos? (and maybe all packages too, since downloading 28MB every time someone changes the kde4 wallpaper package is annoying!
yast:
1)make backup a little better (maybe add log viewing to the frontend...)
2)ntp should be able to sync automaticly every few hours, rather than just at boot... would be a lot better...
3)yast software management should offer to cleanup or rebuild zypp database if its getting to be really slow.
4)allow yast to remotely connect to a remote yast (maybe you can make a &quot;yastd&quot;) service :)
5)maybe add a module to configure hardisks via hdparm or something???
6)a &quot;system status&quot; module, for things like making sure no hardware errors are occuring and checking hard disk space (or smart errors) and so on..
7)add a &quot;ndiswrapper&quot; config module to yast network config :)
general:
1)offer some kind of system to allow user (or at least let them know about) beagle and its not so good habits :P maybe even have it disabled if the system detects a old computer, but offer to do it or something..
...
ok I will stop for now :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Zypper/YaST in Factory now display download-rate&#8221; YAY!!! what a success! I always wanted that. Will yast show this in frontend?<br />
Is there somewhere where I should file Wishes? I have quite a few&#8230;<br />
opensuse-updater:<br />
1)rather than complain about no update repo, just let it offer to add update repo For you. (if user didn&#8217;t do it during install (which i never do, its a waste)).<br />
zypper:<br />
1)maybe do deltafiles on all refreshing of repos? (and maybe all packages too, since downloading 28MB every time someone changes the kde4 wallpaper package is annoying!<br />
yast:<br />
1)make backup a little better (maybe add log viewing to the frontend&#8230;)<br />
2)ntp should be able to sync automaticly every few hours, rather than just at boot&#8230; would be a lot better&#8230;<br />
3)yast software management should offer to cleanup or rebuild zypp database if its getting to be really slow.<br />
4)allow yast to remotely connect to a remote yast (maybe you can make a &#8220;yastd&#8221;) service <img src='http://news.opensuse.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
5)maybe add a module to configure hardisks via hdparm or something???<br />
6)a &#8220;system status&#8221; module, for things like making sure no hardware errors are occuring and checking hard disk space (or smart errors) and so on..<br />
7)add a &#8220;ndiswrapper&#8221; config module to yast network config <img src='http://news.opensuse.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
general:<br />
1)offer some kind of system to allow user (or at least let them know about) beagle and its not so good habits <img src='http://news.opensuse.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  maybe even have it disabled if the system detects a old computer, but offer to do it or something..<br />
&#8230;<br />
ok I will stop for now <img src='http://news.opensuse.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: hawake</title>
		<link>http://news.opensuse.org/2008/03/19/opensuse-weekly-news-issue-14/comment-page-1/#comment-2679</link>
		<dc:creator>hawake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m excited to test the new OpenSuSE 11 Alpha3 when will be released! :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m excited to test the new OpenSuSE 11 Alpha3 when will be released! <img src='http://news.opensuse.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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