Comments on: Sneak Peeks at openSUSE 11.0: Package Management, with Duncan Mac-Vicar http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/ The latest stuff happening in the openSUSE universe Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:37:19 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: John http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/comment-page-1/#comment-3763 John Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:22:51 +0000 http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/#comment-3763 then, i'm sure your mother use to play whit computers (windows) a lot!!! And she probably knows more about computers then most of the people... I have friends around the 28 Years old that deal well whit windows and refuse to use Linux because they think ( Installing (before 1-click install)/)removing software a hard task!!! I can remove software well... and i'm not asking this for me!!! Just for those who don't get this so well... then, i’m sure your mother use to play whit computers (windows) a lot!!!

And she probably knows more about computers then most of the people…

I have friends around the 28 Years old that deal well whit windows and refuse to use Linux because they think ( Installing (before 1-click install)/)removing software a hard task!!!

I can remove software well… and i’m not asking this for me!!!

Just for those who don’t get this so well…

]]> By: Blaine Simpson http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/comment-page-1/#comment-3711 Blaine Simpson Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:50:38 +0000 http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/#comment-3711 I don't see how the tag values could be populated automatically and consistently. A brief look at tag cloud looks like their values are derived based on web site use cases. More importantly... why? There is already a RPM Spec field "Group" specifically for categorizing the rpm in a tree, and it has worked just fine for me for 15 years. As I think somebody else said in this thread, it's great to be able to expand and collapse branches. Additional information already in the RPMs (like platform, size, dependencies) can be derived from the RPMs without a new abstraction. I don’t see how the tag values could be populated automatically and consistently. A brief look at tag cloud looks like their values are derived based on web site use cases.

More importantly… why? There is already a RPM Spec field “Group” specifically for categorizing the rpm in a tree, and it has worked just fine for me for 15 years. As I think somebody else said in this thread, it’s great to be able to expand and collapse branches. Additional information already in the RPMs (like platform, size, dependencies) can be derived from the RPMs without a new abstraction.

]]> By: Duncan Mac-Vicar http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/comment-page-1/#comment-3676 Duncan Mac-Vicar Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:19:11 +0000 http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/#comment-3676 Some people have the taste in the wrong place. Others can't figure out there are the same widgets in a different layout. Sorry, we can't do anything for you. Just keep using your favorite one. Some people have the taste in the wrong place. Others can’t figure out there are the same widgets in a different layout.

Sorry, we can’t do anything for you. Just keep using your favorite one.

]]> By: Duncan Mac-Vicar http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/comment-page-1/#comment-3674 Duncan Mac-Vicar Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:56:45 +0000 http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/#comment-3674 For 11.1 the idea is to generate the solv files in the server and avoid downloading xml if the solv files are there. We just did not make it in time for 11.0 with the huge amount of things with higher priority :-) For 11.1 the idea is to generate the solv files in the server and avoid downloading xml if the solv files are there.

We just did not make it in time for 11.0 with the huge amount of things with higher priority :-)

]]> By: Duncan Mac-Vicar http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/comment-page-1/#comment-3673 Duncan Mac-Vicar Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:55:36 +0000 http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/#comment-3673 Our interest is not that you use openSUSE and get patches from fedora. Our interest is that if in your company you generate custom patches for fedora and suse machines, you need one set of tools to generate them (still two repos) You can use fedora tools on openSUSE (with openSUSE update repos) We could get openSUSE tools (even YaST) on Fedora, and it will work for them (using Fedora update repos) :-) Our interest is not that you use openSUSE and get patches from fedora.

Our interest is that if in your company you generate custom patches for fedora and suse machines, you need one set of tools to generate them (still two repos)
You can use fedora tools on openSUSE (with openSUSE update repos)
We could get openSUSE tools (even YaST) on Fedora, and it will work for them (using Fedora update repos)

:-)

]]> By: Duncan Mac-Vicar http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/comment-page-1/#comment-3672 Duncan Mac-Vicar Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:52:59 +0000 http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/#comment-3672 What do you think guys about something like a tag cloud for 11.1 ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_cloud There packages could appear under various tags, we could add tags on runtime based on different criterias (coming from keywords, groups, etc) What do you think guys about something like a tag cloud for 11.1 ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_cloud

There packages could appear under various tags, we could add tags on runtime based on different criterias (coming from keywords, groups, etc)

]]> By: R. J. http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/comment-page-1/#comment-3667 R. J. Tue, 10 Jun 2008 04:36:41 +0000 http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/#comment-3667 John asks can an older person remove programs in linux. My mother is in her 60's. she moved from windows to linux and has no problem removing programs. John asks can an older person remove programs in linux. My mother is in her 60’s. she moved from windows to linux and has no problem removing programs.

]]> By: cristian diaz riveros http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/comment-page-1/#comment-3665 cristian diaz riveros Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:35:15 +0000 http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/#comment-3665 Muy bien trabajo Duncan se nota que estan haciendo las cosas muy bien allá en novell y por sobre todo en opensuse, ya he probado opensuse 11 aca en Chile donde tu sabes la banda ancha no es muy rapida como en otros paises y el cambio desde las versiones de de opensuse 10.3 a la 11 rc1 son notables en cuanto a rapidez de actualizaciones y gestion de paquetes principalemente via yast2. felicitaciones por el trabajo. Una cosa que opensuse ya se merecia ya que por un tiempo, emigre a otras distibuciones como ubuntu por su facil y rapido manejo de paquete pero ahora me encuentro muy satisfecho con lo que se ha logrado hasta el momento bueno chao duncan un saludo desde Chile Muy bien trabajo Duncan se nota que estan haciendo las cosas muy bien allá en novell y por sobre todo en opensuse, ya he probado opensuse 11 aca en Chile donde tu sabes la banda ancha no es muy rapida como en otros paises y el cambio desde las versiones de de opensuse 10.3 a la 11 rc1 son notables en cuanto a rapidez de actualizaciones y gestion de paquetes principalemente via yast2. felicitaciones por el trabajo.

Una cosa que opensuse ya se merecia ya que por un tiempo, emigre a otras distibuciones como ubuntu por su facil y rapido manejo de paquete pero ahora me encuentro muy satisfecho con lo que se ha logrado hasta el momento

bueno chao duncan un saludo desde Chile

]]> By: Blaine Simpson http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/comment-page-1/#comment-3662 Blaine Simpson Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:00:19 +0000 http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/#comment-3662 I agree completely with Grosz. I don't install all of my software during OS install, but it is extremely useful to work with narrowed lists under Office... if I only want to add Office apps, etc. Though with Smart, it's very difficult to filter by size, platform, etc., it has excellent ability to select the view tree, including ability to sort by software groups underneath source channel at the highest level. I really hoped Zypper would approach Smart speed, interdependency handling, and end-user convenience finally, but I see they've only succeeded with the first two of these. I've never had any serious wrapped-around-the-axle problems with Smart (which happened constantly until now with Zypp when mixing RPMs from various sources or versions); and I suspect Smart will come out with a version with performance which leap-frogs Zypp (they've had no performance competition for years). I agree completely with Grosz. I don’t install all of my software during OS install, but it is extremely useful to work with narrowed lists under Office… if I only want to add Office apps, etc. Though with Smart, it’s very difficult to filter by size, platform, etc., it has excellent ability to select the view tree, including ability to sort by software groups underneath source channel at the highest level.

I really hoped Zypper would approach Smart speed, interdependency handling, and end-user convenience finally, but I see they’ve only succeeded with the first two of these. I’ve never had any serious wrapped-around-the-axle problems with Smart (which happened constantly until now with Zypp when mixing RPMs from various sources or versions); and I suspect Smart will come out with a version with performance which leap-frogs Zypp (they’ve had no performance competition for years).

]]> By: John http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/comment-page-1/#comment-3661 John Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:29:16 +0000 http://news.opensuse.org/2008/06/06/sneak-peeks-at-opensuse-110-package-management-with-duncan-mac-vicar/#comment-3661 > "A tree in which a package can appear more than once (e. g. at Misic players and MP3 tag editors) could solve this." I totally agree with you!!! There should be an easier way to remove software... and a Tree View could solve this easily!!! I came up with a few ideas i posted on opensuse.awardspace.com They are all intended to solve the newbies problem to remove software... and i really think a tree view could help... so... if my comment count's for something... here a vote for the tree view ;) > “A tree in which a package can appear more than once (e. g. at Misic players and MP3 tag editors) could solve this.”

I totally agree with you!!!

There should be an easier way to remove software… and a Tree View could solve this easily!!!

I came up with a few ideas i posted on

opensuse.awardspace.com

They are all intended to solve the newbies problem to remove software… and i really think a tree view could help… so… if my comment count’s for something… here a vote for the tree view ;)

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