Comments on: openSUSE to Add SELinux Basic Enablement in 11.1

By: UTAKA

UTAKA — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:36:09 +0000

SHUUUUT UUUUUP, ALL YOU DO IS TAAAAAAAAAAAAAALK

By: anonymous

anonymous — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:38:30 +0000

> Let’s calm down and give them some time.

Just kidding? After 8 years, when Suse gets bigger and very buggy, “some time” is more than over!

Come on, *every* other distribution try to get better and every Suse version disappoint most people because of primitive errors, special configuration system + locations and Yast failures.

With Novell onboard, Suse becomes really awful.

By: toplist

toplist — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:04:12 +0000

Thanks and you

By: moz

moz — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:09:20 +0000

I agree with you to a point Neo. Novell, and Red Hat for that matter, tend to go out of their way to adopt something different to each other.

The statement about adopting GNOME goes a far though. They did purchase Ximian – you know, the people who created GNOME so it stands to reason they would adopt it as the default graphical environment.

Reiserfs, well who could have predicted that Hans was an axe wielding manic and convicted of murder.

By: quickshade

quickshade — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:52:13 +0000

The Cnet article states 4 people got laid off, so unless it was only 4 people working on the project I’m sure there are others. Not to mention maybe someone else picked up the slack, maybe novell realized they had to many people spread out in to many areas. For the most part community developed software seems to be coming along fine anyways. I prefer app armor. It works much better and doesn’t block stupid programs that shouldn’t be blocked in the first place. It’s also way easier to configure and shutoff, unlike SElinux, which DOES require a restart. Not even windows requires that. Plus keeping 2 programs alive make for healthy competition, something that has really made novell shine (since Ubuntu started kicking some ass.)

By: Tim

Tim — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:15:58 +0000

“how about correcting all the misinformation from your sales team that SELinux policy changes always require rebooting your system?”

Heh, I also remember claims that applications need to be recompiled to be “fully” (whatever it means) protected by SELinux.

By: neo

neo — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:06:03 +0000

“you are referencing an interview with Crispin where he makes some statements not Novell does them”

Oh, I must be hallucinating then.

“”An open-source AppArmor community has developed. We’ll continue to partner with this community,” … Lowry said.”

That is Novell spokesman Bruce Lowry explaining why Novell fired the team. Crispin was your lead developer so I am pretty sure what Novell has done. Perhaps you have a way to differentiate Novell from Novell spokesperson as well. I wouldn’t know. Educate me about it. If you have a enterprise product, wouldn’t you need in-house engineers actively developing and maintaining them for customers? How does firing the team help with that? If customers wanted a “community”, they wouldn’t pay a commercial organization like Novell to support them, right? Who is supporting AppArmor in Novell now? Name the engineers please. I ask because I know them all. I haven’t seen any major features after the team was fired.

Also now that Novell has started enabling SELinux (even though SELinux without policy is silly beyond belief), how about correcting all the misinformation from your sales team that SELinux policy changes always require rebooting your system?

By: Andreas Jaeger

Andreas Jaeger — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:32:11 +0000

Neo, you are referencing an interview with Crispin where he makes some statements not Novell does them.

By: neo

neo — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:15:50 +0000

“Novell did not fire the entire AppArmor team”

Your company claimed otherwise in the press. Do I need to remind you? Your company said now it is community support which is laughable for a supposedly enterprise product

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-9796140-39.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5

If you disagree with your employer, Name them. How many people? You are supposed to be a open source company, right?

“Btw. SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 9 was the first Linux OS to be EAL4+ certified and SLES10 is as well.”

EAL4+. yes but not CAPP, RBAC and LSPP

By: Andreas Jaeger

Andreas Jaeger — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:50:27 +0000

Neo, Novell did not fire the entire AppArmor team, there are still engineers working on it.

Btw. SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 9 was the first Linux OS to be EAL4+ certified and SLES10 is as well.