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openSUSE Weekly News, Issue 55

January 19th, 2009 by

news    Issue #55 of openSUSE Weekly News is now out!
In this week’s issue:

  • openSUSE Project Opens Feature Tracking with openFATE
  • openSUSE forums has reached 20K members
  • Wanted-Build Service Contributors
  • Joe Brockmeier: What happens with KDE with Qt license shift?
  • Katarina Machalkova: A fairytale about brave wizard QSplitter and evil ancient screen resolution from the last century

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24 Responses to “openSUSE Weekly News, Issue 55”

  1. headache

    I am somehow worried. People continue to complain about clear shipstopper bugs (mbr-bootorder, dvd accessibility, bluetooth, etc) and claim to shift to other distributions (just read the feedback under the article you posted – doesn’t look good). Tell me I am too negative but 11.1 had some bugs that really shouldn’t have been there in a final release. Just my “two cents”.
    I’m looking forward to 11.2 to have an idea whether an “occasional error” is getting “system”.

    P.S. Don’t get me wrong, bugs are normal in a release. But I was not used any more to this kind of bugs.

    • Nigga

      I’ve also faced many really serious bugs in openSUSE 11.1, just like in the prevoius versions, so this one doesn’t seem to be much worse than its predecessors. The updates (and a possible remastered version) may turn this release into a usable Linux, probably almost as usable as (but not as sophisticated, of course as) Windows. I use with KDE 4 which is quite terrible but my colleague (who uses Gnome) is almost pleased. You might try SLES/SLED which seemed for me, to be almost perfect.

      • headache

        I don’t think the version is more buggy than 11 or 10.2 when it came out. What I say that there a bugs that require a good deal of experience with opensuse for an “easy going installation”. I installed yesterday another machine (intel graphics chip set) and guess what? During the graphic check the whole thing just got psychedelic an hung. The online update repositories did not work and had to be joint by hand then and once you made it to the full installation (I talk about KDE 3.5.10 because I will wait for 4.2 in order to switch) you had a working and nice system. But my guess would be: not for a first time user.
        An employee of Novel told me in a mail: “Opensuse is linux for the hobbyist”. But then we say -“the prepared” hobbyist. First time install of linux of a final should be IMHO a “aha – was THAT easy” experience. The you can still push to the “latest and greatest updating and personalizing as all of us do”. In fact the bugs I speak about lower the usability of the first time user and he possibility for him to smoothly install. I love to use linux, much more then anything else I tried. Why not make it easy for first time users?

        • Nigga

          That’s what I think too. You correctly explained my (and many other openSUSE users’) feelings. However somehow I’m still an openSUSE enthusiast, and I even use it with KDE 4, because openSUSE is a KDE distro unlike SLE (which is an unfortunate costellation). In spite of this, sadly, you’re right. OpenSUSE cannot expect its community to grow by newcomers, because most newcomers will drop it during the installation process.

          I think, openSUSE’s mission is not to be used, but to support SLE and Linux development in general. And in spite of this, my experience is that when it’s finally installed and every crucial bug is worked around, it can become so stable, that it is surprisingly able to perform well even in mission critical tasks.

          Sorry for the long comment and my bad english.

        • Ulrich Windl

          If openSUSE is not being used by a huge user base, it wouldn’t help for SLE. Despite of that, some users need a newer software base than that of SLE. BTW: Is it still true that you may try out SLE for 30 days, but you will not be able to report bugs you found?

    • martinT

      I have an old Intel 845BG Mainboard (PIV 1,6GHz, 1GB RAM, Ati Radeon7500 64MB, Soundblaster Audigy, Dawicontrol 2975U) and everything works fine with Suse 9.0.
      I tried OpenSuse 11.1 on my second harddisk around Christmas and at first it made a good impression on me. But I could not print anything, because my parallel port was not detected. My old SCSI scanner does not work either. USB sticks did not appear after having been plugged in, DVD and CD burning was not possible.
      I also tried Ubuntu 8.10: CD and DVD burning, Scanner and USB sticks worked, but printing was not possible also. Moreover, audio did not work in Ubuntu, unbelievable. This remembers me of very old Suse 5.x editions in 1997.
      Maybe such new Kernel 2.6 editions are a big problem for my old hardware in general.
      Since everything works in Suse 9.0 (which is Suses last kernel 2.4 distro) I’ll have to stay with it.

  2. Praveen Kunjapur

    Talking about bugs, I wish people (openSUSE users) instead of complaining, should file bugs on Novell’s Bugzilla [1]

    Talking about bugs, I wish openSUSE.org should have a section titled “Report Bugs” in it’s home page [2] which links to Novell’s Bugzilla.

    Looking forward to a great openSUSE 11.2 :) (in fact, eagerly waiting for the official roadmap for openSUSE 11.2 to display itself in “News and Events” section of openSUSE.org’s home page ;) :))

    Praveen Kunjapur

    openSUSE 11.1 Contributor
    (see my “Comment by Praveen Kunjapur” in the comments section of this news:

    //news.opensuse.org/2009/01/07/contributor-gifts/

    Note :

    [1] Novell’s Bugzilla:

    https://bugzilla.novell.com/index.cgi

    [2] home page:

    http://www.opensuse.org/en/

    • headache

      Just to make the point: all the major bugs had been reported at once, I did not have to do anything because I did find already the bugs filed. Notwithstanding, what I DID discover is, that some of these bugs where KNOWN in the versions previous to RC and where not fixed, for not delaying the shipping. Even bugs that would be considered (by me and by others) ship stopper. I understand people have to file bugs. We do – but this was not my point of discussion.

      • Nigga

        Yes, yes, you seem to be right again, many of the bugs seem to be known, yet unfixed. However, I hope, some of them will be fixed by updates. It has a very short development cycle, the users have to do lot of testing, and I suspect that some crucial changes were made even in the last weeks, so it’s no wonder that it’s so unpolished.

        However, I’ve reported approximately 40 bugs, and there are still many to report. Do it inside of complaining!

      • Praveen Kunjapur

        What is your point of discussion? :)

        • Nigga

          You know what? Maybe it’s not even a debate. :)

          I like openSUSE, but I know that it’s thousand miles far from being perfect, but I like it in spite of knowing it can hardly be called usable, however I’m faithfult to it, and so on… ;)

  3. Hi,

    Is openSuse10.2 officially discontinued, which means we cannot get patches and updates? I heard and read the news just this week. Can anybody confirm the status of openSuse 10.2?

    Thank you very much

    AbdellahT

  4. Praveen Kunjapur

    I would like to congratulate Novell for opening up the alpha, beta and RC testing of openSUSE in public. I would like to congratulate Novell again for providing us with an “Open” Bugzilla (Novell’s Bugzilla).

    I wish:

    Before “Currently predicted end of life” of any version of openSUSE as provided here [1] (thanks to Chris :)), all the bugs of that particular version of openSUSE gets squashed and not otherwise :( as can be seen here [2]

    Note :

    [1] here:

    http://en.opensuse.org/SUSE_Linux_Lifetime

    [2] here:

    https://bugzilla.novell.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=openSUSE+10.2&content=gnome

  5. Praveen Kunjapur

    Novell I like the way the boxes are arranged in the comments section of openSUSE.org website. One thing’s for sure. Because of the way the boxes are arranged in the comments section of openSUSE.org website, I will never get confused as to who commented and replied to whom :)

    I wish:

    If time passes by (it continues to do even as I am commenting this :P) and there comes a time when the “Comments” section of openSUSE.org needs to updated as well as upgraded, please always keep the “the way the boxes are arranged in the comments section of openSUSE.org website” feature :)

  6. Fred

    I started using linux about 3 month ago. Obviously started w/ LiveCD … used Koppix and I started to download tons of distros to play w/. Triple booting Windows box w/ Vista, XP and Kubuntu. Then got dedicated machine (old PIII) and loaded Kubuntu there. Didn’t really like it so I’ve tried many others then installed this distro w/ Gnome. Didn’t think that it would come up but then it did and then I installed it. So far like this distro the best but haven’t played w/ printing so much as one of the commenter’s said they had trouble I’ll have to check it out. Writing due to being new to the game and I didn’t have much trouble installing.

  7. -=terry=-

    Comment #1. The default as KDE4 was not a good one. The version that came with the dvd (box) was unusable. The one from the factory is great. Do not use as default buggy version of anything.

    Comment #2. Compiz/nomad/kd4 from the dvd did not work. Or install nomad or compiz without nomad.

    Commnet #3. The bug reporting system works great. I have problems with DNS resolution in all the machines. I reported the problem and works around and in a little more than 2 weeks the bug was fixed , kudos.

    Comment #4. Opensuse 11.1 with kde 4.2 is a major release and love everything. I know still has some rough edges mainly in some of the new applications like amorok 2 but overall is great and the devs has surpassed any expectational I have.

  8. eco2geek

    Speaking of odd bugs, after doing the YaST equivalent of a multi-megabyte “zypper dist-upgrade” on my openSUSE 11.0-based laptop (that sounds awfully Debian-ish, doesn’t it?) I found I was all-of-a-sudden getting error messages like the following when attempting to run shell scripts:

    bash: ./calendar.sh: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied

    Some googling suggested that perhaps the scripts had MS-DOS-based line endings (i.e. CR+LF), rather than Unix-based line endings. That idea didn’t solve the problem, and certainly didn’t explain why I’d get the same error message running, say, the uninstall script from Google Earth.

    Subsequent googling suggested a problem with /etc/fstab settings. Sure enough, as soon as I changed the line

    /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_[...]-part5 /home ext3 user,acl 1 2

    to

    /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_[...]-part5 /home ext3 defaults 1 2

    my scripts ran fine again. What the hell?

    But that’s the kind of random glitch I’d expect of not just openSUSE, but Linux in general.

    To temper that comment, I’d like to voice my appreciation for openSUSE’s treatment of KDE 4.2 RC 1. In brief: on both my ATI-based laptop and my NVIDIA-based workstation, the desktop effects work smoothly. Apps like OpenOffice.org that used to leave all kinds of screen artifacts behind with desktop effects enabled, now behave. The applications feel fairly mature – for example, Dolphin now has most all the features that Konqueror (in file management mode) had in KDE 3.5, plus some new ones. Plus there’s now a way to turn off that annoying “Nope, this game cannot be won anymore” solver message in KPatience. Thank God.

  9. martinT

    A little time ago I made the comment above about all the bugs I suffered in OpenSuse 11.1.
    Today I reinstalled it, applied all the updates and everything seems to work now (with KDE 4.1).
    Meanwhile there has been a major hal update, maybe this fixed a lot of the above-mentioned bugs.
    Many thanks for your support, openSuse-Team.