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Sneak Peeks at openSUSE 11.2: KDE 4.3 Experience, with Luboš Luňák

October 27th, 2009 by

The KDE 4 experience in openSUSE has been enhanced daily, and while the desktop environment itself has matured significantly since the last release, there has been a constant focus to provide an outstanding delivery of it in openSUSE 11.2.

The highlights include: the openSUSE DVD preselected to KDE 4.3; new Firefox KDE integration; OpenOffice.org KDE 4 integration; consistent KDE artwork; all other standard applications fully ported to KDE 4, including KNetworkManager, Amarok, DigiKam, K3b, Konversation and more.

We will also be talking to openSUSE and KDE core developer Luboš Luňák, to find out more about the developments in KDE 4.3, where the project is concentrating its efforts, and what the openSUSE boosters team is really all about. Read on for the full story…

KDE 4.3 Preselection on DVD

After a feature request shot to #1 on the openSUSE feature tracker, openFATE, a lively discussion began on the openSUSE mailing lists about whether to preselect KDE on the DVD installation. openSUSE, and SUSE Linux before that, had always had a strong KDE following in the community, and the discussion picked up a lot of momentum and popularity. As an overview, the openSUSE-project mailing list received 751 mails in August, in comparison to July’s 89.

It was finally decided to default the radio button to KDE in the DVD installer. Therefore, with the openSUSE 11.2 release, the KDE desktop will be installed if the user accepts the default setting. Users can also choose the GNOME desktop at this stage.

Firefox KDE Integration

Recognising the popularity of Firefox, the KDE team decided to have Firefox as the default browser for openSUSE 11.2. As a consequence, there has been a significant effort pioneered by Luboš Luňák to make Firefox more friendly to KDE users.

The Firefox integration by openSUSE means that wherever Firefox contacts the rest of the desktop, KDE components are used, including: file dialogs, application selection dialog, mimetype handling, notifications system, and more. A screencast of these changes has been recorded by Javier Llorente:

KDE Artwork

As of openSUSE 11.2, our KDE participates in the KDE drive to create a shared, consistent brand, using recognisably openSUSE artwork developed by Nuno Pinheiro of the KDE community:

KDE 3

openSUSE has been the only mainstream distribution to allow the parallel installation of KDE 3 and KDE 4, but as KDE 4.3 has become a widely accepted replacement for KDE 3, 11.2 no longer offers a KDE 3 desktop installation in the default installer.

KDE 3 applications however remain available where no KDE 4 port exists, and users can still install a KDE 3 desktop using the openSUSE Build Service.

Applications now Ported to KDE 4.3 and Improved

As KDE 4.3 reaches a stage of complete maturity, the last remaining applications were ported fully to KDE 4. openSUSE and KDE developer Will Stephenson and others performed a complete overhaul of KDE’s Network Manager for KDE 4.3. The result is a more powerful application with an emphasis on usability.

Popular applications such as Amarok, K3b and Konversation are now also included in their KDE4 versions for openSUSE 11.2:

YaST Control Center

The YaST control center has now been fully ported to Qt 4, and the graphical user interface has been given a complete makeover. The new interface is now consistent with KDE’s Configure Desktop (systemsettings):

Other modules such as software management have also been redesigned:

More Applications on the Live CD

Since openSUSE started switching to LZMA compression in its RPMs and Live CDs, we have been left with a significant amount of additional space on the live CDs. This now means that several new KDE applications can be included, such as: Choqok, a twitter and identi.ca client for KDE; Yakuake; and Marble:

Many thanks to Martin Schlander and Will Stephenson for their contributions and suggestions for this article.

Talk with Luboš Luňák

Konqueror is a mascot of the KDE project. Why did you decide to invest time in integrating Firefox in 11.2?

But we have done nothing to the dragon. And actually it is very easy to switch the default back to Konqueror (I myself still use it). Also the truth is that Konqueror was not 100% the default browser in openSUSE 11.1 either. For example, clicking links in KDE applications launched Konqueror, the panel had the Konqueror icon, but on the desktop there was the Firefox icon. So we fixed this inconsistency by making Firefox the default everywhere, which should improve the situation for less experienced users who usually use the desktop icon and could get confused by sometimes getting a different browser, and more experienced users who want Konqueror can handle going to KDE settings and switching the radio button in the Default Applications module back from Firefox.

However, the main reason was that many users simply have a problem with using Konqueror. As I said, I myself still use Konqueror, but e.g. if somebody else wants to browse the Internet on my home machine, I give them Firefox. I think we simply should not try to ignore the reality, as much as we might not like it. We will again evaluate the possibilities for the default browser (and the HTML rendering component in Konqueror’s case) again for the next openSUSE release.

As for the integration, when we decided to default fully to Firefox for 11.2, it became quite clear that Firefox is not that suitable as the default KDE browser. People who did the X11/Unix integration of Firefox were quite random in seeing a difference between X11/Unix and GNOME, even in the source code and sometimes not at all, so using Firefox with KDE was not a pleasant user experience. File dialogs were Gtk ones, and were used even for selecting an application to open a file with; default applications were usually from GNOME and the button order in dialogs was wrong (not just the other way around, but Gtk dialogs need an explicit call to adjust the button order depending on the desktop, so Firefox’s own dialogs and “broken” Gtk dialogs were swapped while proper Gtk dialogs had the KDE order).

There were attempts at making Qt ports of Firefox in the past, but as far as I know there has never been one that would be really usable (and with the advances of WebKit and the fact that it’s shipping with Qt I don’t see that happening in the future). The reason for why we could achieve something in a few days that has been missing for years is down to the fact that I aimed pretty low – this is not a port of Firefox, but it’s the same Gtk-based version of Firefox, with ‘if running in KDE, call this small helper app’ code inserted in desktop-specific places doing most of the job. Even with this approach I think Firefox now integrates into KDE reasonably well.

KWin has now got reliable, speedy 3D desktop effects. How do you see the window manager’s role developing with the trend towards semantic activity-based interfaces and netbooks, and how do you see KDE on openSUSE participating in this trend?

Actually I’ve been so busy with openSUSE for the last year that I’ve had only little time to do something directly upstream. For this reason I’m really happy that there are people like Lucas Murray, Martin Gräßlin and others who keep moving KWin forward. So, although I still try to at least keep on eye on KWin, I think it would be better to ask people who actually do the work.

From the things worked on or mostly done for KDE 4.4 that I remember there are branches for adding window tabbing and window tiling to KWin and for decorations, besides merging of Oxygen forks Ozone and Nitrogen back into one decoration, there is also an SVG-based decoration called Aurorae that allows easy theming even for non-developers.

Looking forward to KDE 4.4 and 4.5, what kind of areas will the KDE project be concentrating on?

There is a feature plan for 4.4 at in the KDE techbase (with some of those things possibly not happening for 4.4 and other things happing even though not being on the list), but besides that the answer is something along the lines of the answer for the previous question. I think KDE in openSUSE and the openSUSE Boosters team will keep me busy for the time coming.

Some of the interesting things in 4.4 or 4.5 could be improved netbook support, porting of KMail and other KDEPIM applications to Akonadi and basically small improvements everywhere :), now that most of the base things are pretty in their place. It could mean there will be also some time for having look at some optimizations, something I’d like to have a look at myself if possible, we will see about that.

Can you tell us a little about the new openSUSE Boosters team?

You can read about them in the new.openSUSE.org announcement article.
In a nutshell, the plan is that the team will work on helping the community making openSUSE better full-time, whatever that will require.

How can people start contributing to KDE in openSUSE? Where is there a need for new contributors?

Are you kidding :) ? Of course whoever wants to contribute is welcome. And this is not just about developers or packages, pretty much anybody can help – the KDE team could use help also with bug triaging, writing documentation and HOWTOs, helping other users, and even just running the regular IRC meeting or taking minutes for it would help.

I’m quite sure we can find ways to contribute for whoever joins our IRC meeting, our mailing list opensuse-kde@opensuse.org or the #opensuse-kde IRC channel on Freenode. I hope after openSUSE 11.2 is out we will find some time for writing simple HOWTOs like ‘adding a patch to KDE packages’ or ‘upgrading a version of a KDE application’, so that people will easily be able to do things in the openSUSE Build Service that they need and that help openSUSE and KDE as well.

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70 Responses to “Sneak Peeks at openSUSE 11.2: KDE 4.3 Experience, with Luboš Luňák”

  1. dum

    Super! At last Firefox integration… but I’m running Kubuntu now and I hope the will do the same!

    • JHB

      I hope the Firefox KDE integration includes kwallet integration.
      If not I’ll stick to konqueror.

  2. I do hope that the Firefox integration into KDE gets released upstream to KDE to benefit the rest of us who love KDE but aren’t using OpenSuse!

  3. eet

    I will never forgive you that ruthless coup against the openSUSE GNOME community. ‘Pre-selection’ my ass! Maybe we should just jump ship to Ubuntu and watch KDE-SUSE go down from afar.

    • Pierre

      I can’t figure out what your problem is. The “PRE-selection” ist just that, a preselection, everyone how wants to use GNOME or any other desktop environment can select GNOME (or an other) without any trouble and very easily, easy like a klick so to say ;), not like Ubunutu where you have to download a “completely diffrent distribution” for KDE. Maybe we all should just jump to openSUSE with GNOME or KDE or whatever you like and watch people like you go down from a far!

      And before anyone thinks I’m hating Ubuntu, I’m not. Used it for about one year and liked it in some points and I still prefer some thing of GNOME over KDE. But in the end I prefer KDE because I like the way it works and looks again since 4.3 – before that I considered it hard to work with but the KDE teams has done a great job so far.

      Greatings

    • jrdls

      I don’t understand your resentment. I’m a GNOME user and even though I admit that I would prefer GNOME as the default desktop I understand that a default is needed and that KDE is more popular within the community. About “jump shipping” to Ubuntu, I wouldn’t do that. Slab for me is the killer app in the GNOME version of openSUSE.
      Cheers and Have a lot of fun! (with openSUSE of course)

    • Mithedhel

      It does seem that opensuse has relegated Gnome to second class citizen. They won’t even put the suse icon on the SLAB menu button and come up with stupid reasons not to when the KDE equivalent has the suse icon on its button. It might seem trivial (especially to KDE users) but us Gnome users just don’t want to be discounted as the insignificant minority.

      I don’t think it’s too much to ask to put the suse icon on the SLAB button. To support, go here:

      https://features.opensuse.org/306635

      • Bobby

        Gnome is in fact a second class citizen. I mean, KDE is THE linux DE and don’t forget that Suse is originally a KDE distro.

        • Mithedhel

          @Comment by Bobby
          2009-10-28 21:35:12

          “Gnome is in fact a second class citizen. I mean, KDE is THE linux DE and don’t forget that Suse is originally a KDE distro.”

          I think the popularity of Ubuntu alone discredits your assumption, and even though suse might have originally been KDE only, opensuse is wise to have Gnome as a primary option because not everyone likes KDE (as hard as that may be to believe). I personally would have preferred that the install not default to either Gnome or KDE but can accept the decision on the basis that KDE is more popular with the current opensuse community. But I get the feeling that the motivation behind the decision is the desire to make opensuse KDE only, which would be foolish to any objective person (KDE fanbois aside).

        • Bobby

          I don’t care about popularity. look at OSX compared to Windows. What I am talking about is functionality, usability, configurability, great apps and of course BEAUTY where Gnome in comparison to KDE is in fact a second class citizen. I have both DEs installed and I have tested a lot of distros with both DEs and I can only say that Gnome is good but KDE is better.That’s my opinion.
          I am happy that openSuse is going back to the roots, the roots that made Suse what it is. The future is KDE, on Linux of course ;)

      • Mithedhel

        @Comment by Bobby
        2009-10-29 10:01:08

        “I don’t care about popularity.”

        I think that says it all. I understand that you like KDE better and that YOU think Gnome by comparison is a second class citizen. I’m not (and was not) trying to change your mind (or anyone’s) at all so I don’t understand why you felt the need to comment (actually, I do understand) when no matter your opinion, there are many others that prefer Gnome and would like to run it on opensuse.

        Back to my original post: openSuse, put the lizard icon on the slab button already! :)

        • Bobby

          I don’t think that people who want to run Gnome on openSuse will have a problem doing so. As a matter of fact I even find openSuse’s implementation of Gnome better than Ubuntu’s and it’s easier to install both KDE and Gnome on OS than it is on Ubuntu.
          It’s not that I hate Gnome. There is at least one thing I like about Gnome and that’s it’s speed and there are at least two Gnome apps that I would die hanging on. Firefox and OpenOffice. I don’t have a problem with people who love and use Gnome as long as it’s on Linux ;)

        • Wow. No wonder normal users make fun of Linux geeks. Are you kidding me? Are people really getting upset because the default of KDE now make Gnome a “second class citizen”? Time to pull on your big girl panties and worry about something worthwhile.

          And yes, I prefer Gnome -and I honestly don’t give two shits what the default values are.

        • whatever

          firefox and openoffice aren’t gnome applications

      • Pierre

        I don’t really think, that GNOME really is a second class citizen. The openSUSE developers are putting big effort into GNOME and have put for a long time that I can’t imagine that they would give all this up.
        And the interviews validate what I write, although I really can understand the doughts and fears of the GNOME-users in this community. I used GNOME for a couple of years when KDE4 came out and openSUSE was the first distro using this as KDE desktop. The first versions of KDE4 really sucked, amarok2 scared one to death with limited features and regular crashes, most common apps still only existed for KDE3 and so on. This was the point I turned to GNOME and really liked it. Coming from KDE4 this time made it every other DE very easy to surprise you with stability and I liked it. Later I switched to Xfce because of simplicity and speed, and am now coming back to KDE4 that has made a hugh progress until 4.3 with amarok 2.2, both now finally usable, stable and feature rich, just like so many other apps now build for KDE4.
        Finally KDE4 provides a consistent, modern and intuitive user experience and became reliable. I really love it.

        • Frankly, I don’t care that you used Gnome and definitely like KDE 4.
          Can you understand that people like me tried and just don’t like KDE the way it is ?

          I prefer Gnome. Comma. Gnome and its users deserve respect.
          So please stop trying to convince us to switch.

          Gnome does all I want it to do and I will see how it goes with Gnome 3.0. Using openSUSE, or not if we still keep being ignored and if this monopolistic attitude in Planet Suse goes on.

      • bowser

        What’s all this about second class citizen? KDE, Gnome Xfce or Icewm or what ever all have their good and bad points, lets face it I thought that Linux was about freedom of choice so just choose the Desktop you prefer and get over it! It really does surprise me how Linux users are such wingers.for Gods sake you get it all for nothing remember, not like that other OS and there is really a very wide choice of Software that’s free also! fair dinkum! GET OVER IT..

      • I have been feeling exactly the same during these last weeks.
        On the planet, it is all about KDE, KDE and KDE…

        They swore that pushing KDE as the default windows manager would have no effect on the integration priorities. But, as I expected however, it is a fact in reality : KDE is the window manager of choice of openSUSE.

        I reported a few Gnome bugs, and clearly, they have been almost ignored.

        Well, I feel abandonned. I liked openSUSE very much and respected that both environment get the same attention.
        Now that it is going to be different, I will look again for a Gnome distribution.

  4. Mark

    Wow opensuse 11.2 is looking great I can’t wait for Final. Keep up the good work!!.

  5. Hi. Great job lizards (or should I say Geekos? :P).

    I tried both the KDE and GNOME live cd’s, and I’m impressed. Both the desktop environments look in great shape, and the release is very promising

  6. toim

    best linux distro.no doubt bout that!!
    hail geeko :)

  7. It’s great to see steps to integrate those 2 desktops! It’s a pity only firefox is integrated, maybe it is possible to recompile all GTK in that manner? And what about some GTK theme that will emulate at least Oxygen, and will KDE font settings work with firefox?

    Any way, thanx for great job!

    • Fri13

      This is not trying to join GNOME and KDE as one. But only to allow GTK+ applications to fit KDE better ways, like KDE applications fit to GNOME because of flexibility of Qt.

      Mozilla Firefox is most popular browser right now (just went over IE6 what had biggest userbase) and KDE users use it as well so we just help them with small tweaks ;)

  8. sid

    KDE4 Firefox integration – LOVE IT !
    Thank you !

    • Bobby

      I am also very happy for the Firefox integration too. Now KDE is even better :)

    • Pierre

      The integration of Firefox into KDE is greate, i love it, too. There are only to things:
      1) Firefox is a litte slow.
      2) A complete port to Qt would be even better. ;)

      But the integration is a great step, I hope more are still to come. (Qt-Port? ;) )

      Greets and well done.

      P.S. Does anyone care about zypper? I love this tool. The upcoming openSUSE 11.2 will be the best we have seen until now. I’m using 11.2 since the Milestone7 and even in M7 it was allready nearly perfect, except a few bugs, but there were no really anoying ones. So, again, great job. Thanks.

      • Eduard

        > P.S. Does anyone care about zypper?

        I just ran ‘zypper dup’ to leapfrog from a recently updated new 11.1 with KDE 4.01. Watching the upgrade download and install in the system activity monitor raised grim memories of distros where a complete reinstall would be the next step because it would be the fastest way to recover from the breakage routinely resulting from such a brash update of every installed thing.

        > I love this tool.

        Zypper really moved me tonight. I am happily surprised. Nay, I am dazzled. I rebooted after the upgrade and was looking at the KDE Desktop 4.3.2 in less time than it normally takes me to restart and reach the login at init level 3. Day-yam me if that wasn’t one really slick upgrade via zypper. I owe thanks for this effortless-upgrade-via-zypper experience also to the upgrade instructions for OpenSuSE 11.1 on KDE.ORG web.

        Regards all,

        Edua’d

        • Pierre

          I updated from openSUSE 11.1 with zypper, too. And just how you told, me too, had no breakage, no use of reconfiguring my system. This is exacly why I learned to love this tool and can’t image how we could have lived without it. ;)

  9. As always eagerly looking forward to yet another release from openSUSE. Firefox integration is awesome feature, and hope that all around the KDE interaction will be much smoother and bugless compared to my current 11.1+4.2 setup.

    I do not uderstand the fuss about the KDE preselection. It is just the radio button is by default on it, just 1 click and your setup is with GNOME … simple enough.

    I hope there are also under the hood speed optimization, with regard to multicore CPUs, USB interface, booting, etc.

    Thanks to openSUSE Team and Community for the work done :)

  10. gumb

    I can’t wait to get my hands on 11.2, reformat my ageing laptop’s drive with ext4 and hopefully give it a slight speed boost. The KDE integration of apps is welcome, and it would be nice to see Thunderbird / SeaMonkey, possibly the Gimp and other apps given the same treatment in future, perhaps with help from the wider KDE community and not just SUSE.

    Example ‘why we need this’ case: I have my parents using KDE4 and things are pretty logical and easy for them to understand. However, they have Thunderbird as their email client and when they need to do things like select an attachment or save one that’s been sent, they’re presented with some ghastly GTK file selector dialog that bears no relation to the rest of the system. Should they even be able to figure out how to navigate the folders, they’re further confused by the only button options to close the dialog being ‘Cancel’ or ‘Open’, which is illogical for the sort of operation being performed. I’m not trying to knock GTK / Gnome in general, it’s just not ideal for an otherwise KDE-centric system. I know, I know, I could get them using KMail. Might look at that in the future but any small change is very tough for them to handle.

    One last comment. Not wanting to be negative but some of the broad statements in this article about ‘fully ported apps’ such as K3B are I think at best to be taken with a pinch of salt, and at worst rather misleading. I’m using the latest alpha 3 and it’s still buggy and throwing a lot of tantrums. I’m also sure that stating ‘all other standard applications fully ported to KDE 4′ will ruffle a few feathers with KDE3 diehards who are still awaiting stable or feature-complete ports of things like Kaffeine, KOffice, etc.

    PS Yet again I must report that the spam protection on this form won’t work in Firefox without a hard refresh of the page. All the more pertinent since this article is touting Firefox as the default browser.

    • Wolfgang

      At least SeaMonkey and Thunderbird are on my list. I haven’t had time to port it for 11.2 but this will probably land in OBS’ mozilla repo during the next weeks (or months; depends on how much time I got).

    • Axeia

      Better intergration of the gimp would be awesome, it comes with a default openSUSE KDE install after all.
      Although Thunderbird doesn’t it’s probably a whole lot easier to do so as its closely related to Firefox.

      Updating to RC2 atm, so I hope I see even further improvements although 11.2 RC1 was already damn near perfect for me.

    • Vin

      You can use kgtk-wrapper for now, it works with gimp and thunderbird (and several other programs, too).

  11. Highwinder

    Can’t wait for this release. Tried them all over the years, Ubuntu included (which is just yet another Debian hack). I always end up going back to SuSE.

    Major kudos for the KDE/Firefox integration. 11.2 looking up to be the

    As for the Gnome fans who are freaking out about KDE being the default selection thinking that SuSE is now abandoning Gnome:

    1. Your failure at grasping that KDE is the DEFAULT selection (not the ONLY selection) before freaking out and posting spastic diatribes only suggests that your life is already filled with hardship, complexity and failure. At the very least, poor judgment.

    2. KDE has traditionally always been quite KDE-centric, all the way back to version 7 that I know of. Where ya been?

    Again, kudos to all involved in getting 11.2 to the masses. SuSE is my favorite distro, KDE my favorite “face”.

  12. Highwinder

    I forgot to mention that I also always pay for the retail version of OpenSuSE. I get more software and support that the freebie version, and it’s nice having the actual box, product and printed edocumentation, which SuSE is well-known for (even though the printed documentation are now a mere fraction of what they used to be).

    Looking forward to actually PAYING for the software I use, because I know there’s a lot of paid professionals that worked damn hard on it and have their own kids to feed – a concept that today’s freeloaders are oblivious to.

  13. Oliwer

    I agree here with Highwinder.

    I have been using openSUSE for business for some time now for free, although privately I use Slackware, and this time I decided I will install openSUSE on all my sales people laptops and I pay for the box version. This distro is really good and easy to use with nice OpenOffice and Firefox integration. It takes only a few days to get a new employee working on it, even if they only used Windows before. It provides quality and developers should get paid for this.

    Great thanks for this new release and counting the days to get the DVDs to install them on my laptops.

    Oliwer

  14. Many Compliments to the Dev Team! ;)

  15. madbad

    Ich finden es unpassend was sollen gtk Anwendungen in KDE mal sollte wenigstens die KDE Live Versionen sauber lassen! Und den Benutzer über 1 Klick Installation entscheiden lassen ob sich dieser 100 Pakete von Gnome auf die Festplatte spielen möchte.

  16. stvrjk

    Many great things are at work here. The new integration, design and standardization are without doubt welcome and headed in the right direction. As a once (long ago) Unix and too too many years a MS person I find my conversion to OpenSuSE and Linux long over due. I can’t thank the OpenSuSE community enough for all their hard work. The flexibility and control over all things is just amazing. You can put anyone in the chair, be it a programmer, administrator, developer or twenty-five year old window user and get them working with minimal adjustment. That’s a feat in and of itself. Beyond the camps of Gnome and KDE is the real battle field of Open Source and Standards over Windows through clout. It’s refreshing to see a body, a community of people seeking perfection and having “Fun” while doing it.

    Having said that and in the spirit of “if you haven’t broken it, you haven’t played with it” … documentation while good – lags and diagnostics could be made “smarter”. Getting BIOS and MoBo manufactures building support libraries could help also … but then what do I know, I’m just the newbie on board.

  17. Hi guys,

    I am a huge fan of suse and its latest destro. I am hoping the next will have same stability.

    I noticed a unique bug in 11.1 build. I have a netgear wireless router connected to my computer. Many times when the OS (OpenSuse 11.1) started, it shutdown the hardware and then difficult to up the thing. Well…I just elaborate here. :)

    Can’t wait for this release.

  18. 1. Firefox integration – great!!!
    2. Preselected KDE – show some love to KDE, and allow the user to use GNOME – great!!!

  19. Richard

    In some ways I think the preselection of KDE is a shame and I am a KDE user. It was just a nice touch to be desktop neutral at the installation stage (even if there is a community bias to KDE). It sent the message that you have a choice and would be supported whatever that choice.

    • Eugenee

      You can not be neutral, really. Before this Gnome was first in the menu, below was the possibility to select KDE. It always seemed to me that Gnome is the preselected DE in OpenSuSE.

  20. ikkulus

    1. Nice Firefox integration! Looking forward to test OpenSuse 11.2

    2.”openSUSE has been the only mainstream distribution to allow the parallel installation of KDE 3 and KDE 4″. I guess you don’t count Mandriva as a mainstream distibution then? Mandriva is actually one of the major distributions allthough it might not be among the most visible in the anglosphere.

  21. nimnull

    Ok, I use 11.1 with xfce – I don’t want any “integration” especially Firefox (I use Opera) and other KDE/GNOME stuff in my system.
    I hope that I will be able to REMOVE all of this and clean up my OS.
    Or may be don’t upgrade – I like 11.1 and I like how it works.

    • Chika

      To an extent, I agree. I’m a user of 11.1 but I’m still using KDE 3 for everyday purposes, both on my main machine and on the netbook I use trackside. It works well, though it is rather annoying that a number of bugs were never addressed from openSUSE’s 10.3 release of the desktop; mostly niggly little things like having to manually mount NTFS and not getting partition name displays and such. However, on the various attempts to run KDE 4, the response has been so slow in places (a bit like KDE 3 when you switch all the effects on) that it made some things impossible to use.

      I’m a Firefox user, so the integration side of things sounds interesting but what I need to be sure of is that KDE 4 is stable and usable before I touch openSUSE 11.2. The change of file system is also a worry; if this was to be a completely new install, I’d not worry too much but conversions always make me nervous. What I would have done, normally, is load the new version onto a test machine I have but, given that the Intel 830M support is pretty much non-existent from 11.1 onwards, I’ve had to scrub that. I might be able to get around this by rebuilding my netbook in the off-season – it needs it as there are a few bugs that have crept in which, amongst other things, kill off the internal USB devices including the mouse which is bloody annoying when I’m between races trying to update the meeting report. I just hope that 11.2 supports netbooks at least as well as 11.1 did in its original form (with the necessary tweaks, preferably applied at installation). My main system, however, stays on 11.1 for now (and my test system on 11.0 – wtf were they thinking of, removing a working driver and replacing it with something that steadfastly refuses to run? That isn’t just a bug, that’s a total blunder! Yeah, I know that the 830M is an old video system now, but that doesn’t excuse this!)

      Mind you, I get the feeling that this might be a bit hasty where xfce is concerned. After all, they’ve only said that KDE 3 is not being distributed, KDE 4 is the default selection and Firefox is integrating more in KDE rather than Konqueror. There doesn’t seem to be any mention of xfce other than the “Other” button on installation, so you may be worrying about nothing.

      Oh, and the spam protection sum seems to be having problems with adding t-hree and f-ive. Thankfully, a quick refresh allows me to change the sum.

    • whatever

      the kde integration only gets activated when you are using kde.
      the gnome integration however is activated in all other cases.
      if you don’t like that, you should complain to the mozilla devs.

      if you want a firefox without the kde integration code, you can always install firefox from mozilla.

  22. mohamed

    Many Compliments to the Dev Team! ;)

  23. torhans

    It seems that scim-bridge is still version 0.4.15. true?
    Has bug #463177 been dealt with? Unfortunately I can’t test right now.

  24. Rod Donovan

    I have been using Open Suse since 6.3? This was after 3 months of racking my brains with Red Hat. It worked right out of the box. Amazing! I have used it through my A.A.S., B.S., M.S., and now finishing my Ph.D. a span of 10 years. I can’t wait for 11.2. I have used it in the computer labs at school, and the kids love it. KDE is very intuitive for the most part, and easy to upgrade from Windows. OpenSUSE provides a familiar GUI that resembles Windows yet is mature, stable if not solid, and needs hardly any maintenance other than occasional updates. Viva OpenSUSE!!

    Master Rod

  25. Vince P.

    To the xfce user who doesn’t want to upgrade- good for you. I also don’t see what difference it makes if KDE is the default- how hard is it to click the other button? I think Konqueror is the best web browser I’ve used, but if Firefox is now integrated-then great! I am thankful to all those who work hard on this great project- I can’t say enough good about openSUSE. Fast, stable, does everything I need and more, If I have to use a window$ program- there’s wine for that. I have used Ubuntu and Puppy and slackware distros- all good, but for me, it’s hard to beat openSUSE w/KDE.

  26. Casey C

    What was wrong with TWM? Sheesh… you kids these days and all you’re fancy shmancy’ness. My first computer didn’t even have graphics. I thought it was a big deal when frame buffered boot logos of tux started showing up.

    • Chika

      Heh… my first computer certainly had graphics.

      Mind you, depends on your definition of “graphics”! (Any ZX81 users here?)

  27. Casey C

    ;p

  28. These KDE-Firefox integrations will be released upstream to KDE for the non-OpenSuse users to benefit, right?

    This ‘Sum of t-hree + s-ix’ spam protection is horrible. Is the answer 9? n-ine? nine? I’ve tried every option that I can think of and nothing is being accepted.

  29. asd

    My experience with linux dates from rh5.1 and before that a friend compiled linux from sources on my pc with only X (no DE) which kind of looked stupid and time consuming to me at the time as I could have dos and win 3.1 up in an hour. Over the years I have tried and run for quite some time various distros, looking to replace my windows desktop. As someone already mentioned here, “I always come back to SuSE”.

    As an it support and system engineer my job is closely connected to ms operating systems (if it weren’t for them there would probably be no jobs for people like me :)) so I don’t have time to play with linux as I used to, but here and then I check few distros and usually decide “not good enough for my needs”.

    I have checked SuSE 11.2 (you can name it as you like, and you can be bought from whoever, it will still be SuSE Linux for me). Like it! KDE finally seems to have a clear vision of where to go with 4th release.
    I have been running Gnome ever since kde 4 got released because kde4 sucked big time! But 4.3 seems great!

    The only thing I’m missing is a real outlook replacement (with full mapi support), but for now I have replaced my win7 laptop with SuSE 11.2 RC2 and have outlook on virtual machine.

    Great job as always SuSE team, no surprise there…

    BTW spam protection SUCKS!!

  30. Caracalla

    Am i the only one who hates what has happened to the networkmanager? There was a perdiod during development when it looked very nice (just after the plasmoid was dropped IIRC) but now… The select network window is horribly, horribly, uninformative. It does not show you anything but the name of the network. If you want to find out how strong it is or what its security is like you have to click on the name of the network. Thisis not a problem if you’re always in the same place and always use the same network but if you move about a lot and rely on free, unsecured, hotspots for your internet connection it’s a real pain when there’s a dozen networks in the area to go though.

  31. asd

    Forget network manager and get wicd. http://en.opensuse.org/Wicd Works flawllesly!

    Occasionally I could connect but most of the time I couldn’t connect to my wlans (keeps asking for pwd, disassociates by local choice reason=3 association req to driver failed!?!?!? WTF!?)

  32. phoeniXfury

    Excellent work guys…just waiting on the final release! I run two opensuse Xen servers at home (one of them with 15 hot swap bays). I’ve been dying for Xen to get cpu throttling support (almost switched to centos for it) but with RC1 opensuse…Xen and throttling worked flawlessly! Dropped power usage by 30 watts on the secondary server! :D

    Desktop is much nicer now. I’ve realized a long time ago that version *.2 is the golden one with opensuse…that was true for 10.2 and seems to be true with 11.2! Thanks for all the hardwork!

  33. No, people are not upset about KDE’s preselection. We’re very happy with it, and quite grateful to the openSUSE team for all the incredible work they’ve put into 11.2. I love how the openSUSE team has been able to tune out so much noise for the past year and keep working toward yet another stunning release. I was a big Fedora fan for years, but 10.3, then 11.1 lured me to openSUSE because of its better KDE integration. Thanks!

  34. BrianL

    Maybe I’m just too simple to understand all this bickering but, I go between Gnome and KDE and Ubunto and OpenSuse. I prefer OpenSuse as I have a dislike for the locked root and having come from Xenix and UNIX life of years ago I think about getting into root for functions. Try getting rid of Cross Office instaled on Ubunto. However, for average users either ditro seems fine. As for the Gnome vs KDE fighting, forget it. I see laypersons happily using both and do not think about it. They seem to handle the switching back and forth with little problem. I go between them and about the only negitive cmment I can think of with KDE are the apps. Everything start with a K. Can’t you start naming programs logically? I have friends come to me and ask about adding a program that can do X and when I look at the lists, there are birds, fish, blah, blah blah but, almost none named to indicate what they are. And, the associated descriptions are just as bad or worse. Rather than fighting over what GUI is better for the world, go ask laypersons who use each and are trying to use Linux as a system what bugs them. You’ll not get to the mainstream public without doing so. Mac whether you like them or not, realized long ago, the key to winning hearts is to make it easy and not cryptic to use their system. You can go under the GUI to the OS but users want product results from their computers and not think of the coputer as most here do, an end to a means in of itself.

    I still can not believe so many do so much in the advancement of Linux from the days in the early ’90s when I first picked up a Linux journal and red about it. I applaud you and the companies that have supported the various distros.

    This is not an attack on you as you deserve only the highest of praise but like many great products until the marketig team does its job in finding out what the target consumer wants, it can be a continuing miss.

    6 days to go to see how it fares against Ubunto – I’ve already blocked next weekend out.

  35. ra

    Decision to have Firefox as the default browser for KDE is great idea!!! Keep up the good work!

  36. ra

    Decision to have Firefox as the default browser for KDE is great idea!!! Keep up the good work!

    • JayCe

      After using openSUSE for several years, here are my thoughts:
      KDE is great – fast, powerful and good-looking with hints and information balloons all over the place… but(!) I sincerely prefer GNOME. It forces the user to be a lot more “hands-on” system-wide and this is very helpful if you want to learn linux inside-out. GNOME is not as intuitive and window$-like as KDE, mas it has its own glamour. I have learned so much in GNOME by just being forced to. In KDE almost every little thing is thought of and that is great for the absolute newbie, but with GNOME you can improve your knowledge. As I see it, GNOME is much more Unix-spirited that KDE (which for me feels a bit like Micro$oft’s OS…). Still, KDE is popular and easy to use and I’m very grateful for it, but in the end, having experienced both to the fullest of my capabilities, I always end up choosing GNOME and, as time passes by and new system management challenges appear, I never look back – GNOME prevails solid as rock.

  37. Andy

    It’s unbelieveable that there isn’t a pre-selection to boot straight into a terminal!!!

  38. kistej

    at the beginning (9.0 was for me) I used kde then changed to gnome (9.3 -10)….it looks now I will change back…unbelievable… :)

  39. Pawel

    It’s great KDE is default DE now. While some gnome, ex-ximian fanboys and/or devs screams on your mailing lists it’s good to see you have enough courage to stand against their lobby. It’s just a natural and smart choice – KDE is much more advanced, feature rich, looks far better, it’s faster, uses modern QT4 toolkit, stays away from M$ mono. Just great!