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Timeline for openSUSE’s strategy discussion

July 21st, 2010 by
Due to the positive fact that more proposals emerge, we wanted to take the time to make them into polished proposals that we want to publish for discussion as well.
Here’s our new timeline:
  • Consolidate community proposals for discussion till July 25
  • Discuss proposals starting, July 27  (4 days for each discussion)
  • end of public discussions, Aug 10.
  • Create final proposals
  • Define voting and acceptance procedure
  • Start voting

As voting procedure is not yet defined we can’t give a date on voting yet. To read what this Srategy discussion is all about you’re invited to go here and especially see the difference between strategy and activity . For a summary of the discussions already happened Pavol and Andreas put them here.

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12 Responses to “Timeline for openSUSE’s strategy discussion”

  1. Willem Franssen

    I’m an average pc consumer and I use OpenSUSE since version 10.2, next to Windows. I’m not sure I’m addressing the right people, but I’m disappointed by the real mess of the Nouveau driver for nVidia graphics in OpenSUSE 11.3 and the unability to install the proprietary nVidia drivers right away, like in earlier Suse-versions. Yes, there is a work around possible, but you have to study ten years for that, and I refuse to do it that way. I started up in the nomodeset, I messed around in sysconfig to get the proprietary driver working right. But nada.Computing without 3D graphics is not workable and not acceptable. Either I have to buy a computer with Intel graphics, or I have to leave Linux for a while.And I have to play my games elsewhere. This is not the way to deal with computer consumers and I think Linux communities should really aim on them! In this regard the Nouveau driver is a very bad example.I know all the problems started with nVidia itself.I know Linux kernel 2.6.34-12 developpers got rid of the nVidia drivers as integrated modules. They should have waited until the Nouveau driver had grown mature and could support 3D accelleration.And I wonder if it wasn’t possible for Novell, or the OpenSUSE community (which I nevertheless appreciate) to compile the proprietary nVidia drivers as rpm packages for Suse 11.3. The current lack of appropriate graphic drivers for OpenSUSE has to be considered as an essential issue! An os has just to work and OUT OF THE BOX. This idea is not a Windows-idiotism, it is what the average pc consumer wants. A car without front wheels doesn’t drive, an os without graphic drivers is useless.The main reason I use Linux: I’m a supporter of open source, open standards and open formats. And for the rest it has just to work.Some Linux-fundamentalists should understand that at last. Put the strength of open source and close source together instead of maintaining medieval barriers between those two worlds. At least that is my opinion. This mess with the Nouveau driver is no good marketing for Linux and for the OpenSUSE distribution.Well this is just an opinion from a conumer who is dedicated to Linux.And a last advise: get rid of the last existing command line apps! We are living in the 21st century, don’t we.
    Kind regards, Willem Franssen

  2. Bobby

    I’m also a pc user and I had to install Nvidia drivers with “nomodeset” and so all. I don’t understand this OpenSuse/Novell choice: I run a 3D test on GNU Backgammon (a GNU board game) and the outcome has been terribly slow. After Nvidia driver installation I tried again and the result has been very fast !!
    Come on guys, let’s come back to NVidia as default !!

  3. Stefan Hebsgaard

    Willem, I couldn’t agree more. I nearly ditched 11.3 to go back to 11.2 because of this driver mess. On my machine the nouveau driver insisted on using 1024×768 and refused to use any other resolutions. Please stop integrating alpha quality stuff as default selection. The nVidia driver works great once the workaround is in place.

  4. uncleremus

    I can understand your frustration with the Graphics driver. But please: leave the command line applications alone. You don’t have to use them if you prefer so. But other people work more efficiently and more reliably on the command line. That didn’t change in the 21st century and most probably won’t change in the 22nd, either.

  5. WiSH

    from the top of my head:
    if you install any future opensuse version, during installation
    it should ask, if the computer should be a install.server.
    many many computers will NOT have a floppy drive or DVD-rom drive
    anymore; BUT they will have a net.boot feature… so USE the power:
    linux is FREE, let’s us it: tftp, dhcp, samba and/or nfs.
    (the floppy and the DVD-rom drive might be gone, but what is 5 gigs
    on a modern HDD?)
    possibility to cache updates locally. having to update 3 and more
    computer over the slow internet connection is not smart. if one (suse.computer)
    has the newest stuff, let that computer give it to the others on the
    FAST lan.
    more options for the (great) SuseFirewall2. we have a firewall, we have
    NAT/masquerading … now it’s time for the heavy-duty stuff that iptables and tc
    can do. like a descent deafult editor for the available options in iptables and tc.
    (example hint: http://tinyurl.com/ykey83l)
    totem for default media player.
    last but definitely not least: “Keep up the good work and … have fun!
    (disclaimer: certainly guru/wizard can do ll this already, but we? are trying to
    make it more easy for newbies.) thx! : D

  6. Davide

    I don’t understand all these complains about the installation of NVIDIA driver.
    Am I the only that have installed 2 opensuse 11.3 64 bit, addded the nvidia repos, installed the driver through yast and no problem at all? Rebooted, all done :-)
    Kwin with effects, perfect, Compiz, perfect
    I don’t understand :-(

  7. Frig

    i somehow don’t understand your concerns :o
    installing the nvidia-prop drivers is no “biggy” thus if you’re able to read some english or whatever language you prefer you will find with 200% a page where it is described to the tiniest bit how you can ‘build’ them from source (if running a shell script can be described as “from source”) anyways their is a nvidia repository available now and you can easily install them from their if you disabled kms and even this was easy because there where tons of tutorials :s
    my last 2 cents :o i only replied because of your last two sentences ! living in the 21st century doesn’t mean that gui’s are superior to cmd-apps only because their shiny and “easy” to use :s just an example -> i prefer wodim (cmd) to burn my isos over any other img-burn application because its freaking easy to use gives enough output if some errors occur and its fast !
    oww and i switched from windows(7) to opensuse in february and one of the most things i love about linux is the command line, if you are comfortable with typing mv/cp/rm/whatever with a directy or shutting your pc down with your keyboard instead of searching 2 weeks for a “turn off” button then your better of with a command line ! but well taste is something everbody has to decide themselv so don’t blame cmd-apps for not having a shiny gui only because you’re not comfortable with !

  8. Willem Franssen

    With all respect, but I think you’re missing my point.The Linux kernel developpers made a wrong choice by adding the Nouveau driver as the default nVidia graphics driver.It doen’t support 3D graphics yet, so it is USELESS. From a common desktop market point of view it’s not appreciable you’ve to work around with the proprietary nVNvidia drivers at the moment. It should work out of the box, but it doesn’t. I’m not dumm as you might suppose, I know Linux rather well, but this is not the way to approach average computer users. For instance: I started up in nomodeset, I unistalled the Nouveau driver, I even blacklisted it, I imported the Nvidia repository, I installed the appropriate driver for my card and I restarted the system. Result: nada. Indeed, I could have studied further on. But that is not my point. As the most of the average consumers don’t understand anything of Windows (I don’t prefer Windows), and why should they, you can’t expect average consumers understand something of Linux, which is not more difficult, but it’s something different. It has much to do with perceptions. The more things don’t work out of the box, the more perceptions with average consumers could be confirmed that Linux sucks. Might be wrong perceptions, but at the consumer market that doesn’t matter. Linux has it’s strong points and it’s weak points. The weakest point in my opinion is not the os itself, but the marketing and perception behind it. That’s also my point in regard to command line apps. Consumers in average are grahic and visual oriented, NOT command line like. If you’re confident with the command line, well nothing wrong with it for you. The DOS era ended about 20 years ago. The graphic/visual era came in and that made the use of desktops and laptops accessible for the average consumers. Nothing else. So next to that: average consumers who want to try Linux (let they be blessed!) want their 3D graphic drivers out of the box.Linux developpers have to understand that, and if not, they should listen a little bit more to marketing people. Concerning my languages: I’m Dutch and I speak,read and write in English, German and French. So that couldn’t be any problem at all.

  9. Hitendra P. Yadav

    when the starting in gnome 3 preview the mouse drivers are not supports at only the start time…..after login the drivers are work properly…

  10. Hitendra P. Yadav

    and also the bluetooth drivers are not supporting in compaq model cq60-104-TU…some times it works but not properly…..

  11. Folks, this is the most pointless place to for ideas or complaints.

  12. Please offer install non-nvidia drivers as clear option choice, let the expert administrator take this type of decisions, in server farm it’s not a problem but it’s a REAL problem and waste of time in desktop environments.