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		<title>By: Henne</title>
		<link>http://news.opensuse.org/2010/10/20/opensuse-ass-kickin-keynote/comment-page-1/#comment-19581</link>
		<dc:creator>Henne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Joseph,

you really need to read up on the history and principles of free and open source software. The whole FOSS community is one big evolutionary process. There is no &quot;we&quot; that can dispense workforce at will. People have the freedom to do what they want, and freedom includes duplicating efforts and even contradict each other. I suggest you start out with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;CatB&quot;&lt;/a&gt; from Eric S. Raymond (BTW Everybody loves Eric Raymond!) and other essays like &lt;a href=&quot;http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/perens.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Voices from the Open Source Revolution&quot;&lt;/a&gt; from Bruce Perens or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The Free Software Definition&quot;&lt;/a&gt; from the FSF.

BTW this keynote was about the openSUSE Project, not about the FOSS community and for us, at this moment, it makes a lot of sense to duplicate and contradict because we want to emancipate us from our creator (Novell) and kick start our evolution. The more we do the better!

Have fun :-)

Henne]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Joseph,</p>
<p>you really need to read up on the history and principles of free and open source software. The whole FOSS community is one big evolutionary process. There is no &#8220;we&#8221; that can dispense workforce at will. People have the freedom to do what they want, and freedom includes duplicating efforts and even contradict each other. I suggest you start out with <a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;CatB&#8221;</a> from Eric S. Raymond (BTW Everybody loves Eric Raymond!) and other essays like <a href="http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/perens.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Voices from the Open Source Revolution&#8221;</a> from Bruce Perens or <a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;The Free Software Definition&#8221;</a> from the FSF.</p>
<p>BTW this keynote was about the openSUSE Project, not about the FOSS community and for us, at this moment, it makes a lot of sense to duplicate and contradict because we want to emancipate us from our creator (Novell) and kick start our evolution. The more we do the better!</p>
<p>Have fun :-)</p>
<p>Henne</p>
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		<title>By: PhillipS</title>
		<link>http://news.opensuse.org/2010/10/20/opensuse-ass-kickin-keynote/comment-page-1/#comment-19510</link>
		<dc:creator>PhillipS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My vote goes to Joseph, we have reached the stage to go beyond and not start from scratch, identify what requires enhancement and focus on it to make it the best across all software and hardware platforms. You attract new users by advertising in different ways but for me the &quot;word-of-mouth&quot; is the most powerful one. When you can say I recommend SUSE due to &quot;this and that&quot; plus we have &quot;the leadership in the community that has a vision and a mission to ...kick-butt&quot;; the freedom to agree or to disagree goes without saying, we just have to accept valid critisem and turn the negative into the positive and as the selling team says; turn all the objections into acceptance and we have a sale. Allowing us to feedback and contribute shows that we are on the right track. Thank you for a great service as the product will not exists without it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My vote goes to Joseph, we have reached the stage to go beyond and not start from scratch, identify what requires enhancement and focus on it to make it the best across all software and hardware platforms. You attract new users by advertising in different ways but for me the &#8220;word-of-mouth&#8221; is the most powerful one. When you can say I recommend SUSE due to &#8220;this and that&#8221; plus we have &#8220;the leadership in the community that has a vision and a mission to &#8230;kick-butt&#8221;; the freedom to agree or to disagree goes without saying, we just have to accept valid critisem and turn the negative into the positive and as the selling team says; turn all the objections into acceptance and we have a sale. Allowing us to feedback and contribute shows that we are on the right track. Thank you for a great service as the product will not exists without it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 20:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve got to completely disagree with him about this &quot;who cares if there&#039;s duplication - do whatever the heck you want&quot; message. That type of thinking will get you 1,000 different types of tires and no automobile. David Letterman once reflected on the state of film today and observing that studios release a few good movies and many poor ones each year, asked why the studios couldn&#039;t just give us 4 or five movies a year &quot;but make them all really good ones?&quot; 

There&#039;s too much duplication of effort. Don&#039;t like an editor&#039;s key layout? Develop a whole new editor from scratch! Don&#039;t like feature X in a desktop? Create a whole new DE from scratch! That&#039;s not leadership, that&#039;s a rudderless ship. At some point Linux is going to have to find areas where product X has a clear feature advantage over product Y and consolidate things so that all types of that software use that feature. What&#039;s the point of open source code reuse with major redundancy? We don&#039;t need multiple office suites - if KOffice is demonstrably inferior to OpenOffice, why continue to waste manpower to develop KOffice? If Krita and Kexi are its only advantages, continue developing those, merge them into OpenOffice, and abandon the rest. Take the extra functions of Gnumeric, add to OpenOffice, abandon the rest. By concentrating development on strengths and abandoning weaknesses, we move forward. We don&#039;t need Reiser 4, for instance, when we already have ext4 and Btrfs in development. I&#039;d rather have one great filesystem for Linux than a choice of three or four unfinished ones. Let&#039;s abandon areas of development that offer no clear advantage over existing code and redouble our efforts on the most promising software.

Smeegol is not the same thing at all as developing another text editor. Moblin was locked into using CPU instructions present in the Intel Atom but not AMD CPUs. Merging it with openSUSE allows for a Moblin experience across x86 CPU manufacturers. In fact, Smeegol is an example for what *I&#039;m* advocating - it merged the strengths of two software products and ended up producing a working product before the Meego team (which is in effect partly duplicating what already exists in openSUSE). Leveraging the core of openSUSE with the UI of Meego gave a product with a better netbook experience than either in less time. That is the kind of thinking we need, but I&#039;m not sure the keynote speaker understands why.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got to completely disagree with him about this &#8220;who cares if there&#8217;s duplication &#8211; do whatever the heck you want&#8221; message. That type of thinking will get you 1,000 different types of tires and no automobile. David Letterman once reflected on the state of film today and observing that studios release a few good movies and many poor ones each year, asked why the studios couldn&#8217;t just give us 4 or five movies a year &#8220;but make them all really good ones?&#8221; </p>
<p>There&#8217;s too much duplication of effort. Don&#8217;t like an editor&#8217;s key layout? Develop a whole new editor from scratch! Don&#8217;t like feature X in a desktop? Create a whole new DE from scratch! That&#8217;s not leadership, that&#8217;s a rudderless ship. At some point Linux is going to have to find areas where product X has a clear feature advantage over product Y and consolidate things so that all types of that software use that feature. What&#8217;s the point of open source code reuse with major redundancy? We don&#8217;t need multiple office suites &#8211; if KOffice is demonstrably inferior to OpenOffice, why continue to waste manpower to develop KOffice? If Krita and Kexi are its only advantages, continue developing those, merge them into OpenOffice, and abandon the rest. Take the extra functions of Gnumeric, add to OpenOffice, abandon the rest. By concentrating development on strengths and abandoning weaknesses, we move forward. We don&#8217;t need Reiser 4, for instance, when we already have ext4 and Btrfs in development. I&#8217;d rather have one great filesystem for Linux than a choice of three or four unfinished ones. Let&#8217;s abandon areas of development that offer no clear advantage over existing code and redouble our efforts on the most promising software.</p>
<p>Smeegol is not the same thing at all as developing another text editor. Moblin was locked into using CPU instructions present in the Intel Atom but not AMD CPUs. Merging it with openSUSE allows for a Moblin experience across x86 CPU manufacturers. In fact, Smeegol is an example for what *I&#8217;m* advocating &#8211; it merged the strengths of two software products and ended up producing a working product before the Meego team (which is in effect partly duplicating what already exists in openSUSE). Leveraging the core of openSUSE with the UI of Meego gave a product with a better netbook experience than either in less time. That is the kind of thinking we need, but I&#8217;m not sure the keynote speaker understands why.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Donovan</title>
		<link>http://news.opensuse.org/2010/10/20/opensuse-ass-kickin-keynote/comment-page-1/#comment-19491</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gaaaacckk! I almost forgot! - have a lot of fun! -

Master Rod]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaaaacckk! I almost forgot! &#8211; have a lot of fun! -</p>
<p>Master Rod</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Donovan</title>
		<link>http://news.opensuse.org/2010/10/20/opensuse-ass-kickin-keynote/comment-page-1/#comment-19490</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ola! A todos mis amigos! OpenSuSE is the BEST Distro around. I have been using it since 6.3 or 6.2. It has truly matured into a most solid and stable OS. Thank you Linus Torvalds and the GNU Bunch for providing us with good programs and freeing us Microsoft Slaves. I am on a mission to put Linux on school campus PCs. This saves the district money and the kids can take home a copy for their own use. Linux saves me 90 man hours per month on just 30 PCs. Think - Clean Disk, Degraggler, Spybot, and anti-virus run will take a good 3 hours per PC. Windows has become so bugged out that it is not now worth the hassle to use. Please continue to keep Linux secure and stable against all the maladies that plague Windows. My most sincere regards to all of you in the projects that make this happen and God bless.

Master Rod]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ola! A todos mis amigos! OpenSuSE is the BEST Distro around. I have been using it since 6.3 or 6.2. It has truly matured into a most solid and stable OS. Thank you Linus Torvalds and the GNU Bunch for providing us with good programs and freeing us Microsoft Slaves. I am on a mission to put Linux on school campus PCs. This saves the district money and the kids can take home a copy for their own use. Linux saves me 90 man hours per month on just 30 PCs. Think &#8211; Clean Disk, Degraggler, Spybot, and anti-virus run will take a good 3 hours per PC. Windows has become so bugged out that it is not now worth the hassle to use. Please continue to keep Linux secure and stable against all the maladies that plague Windows. My most sincere regards to all of you in the projects that make this happen and God bless.</p>
<p>Master Rod</p>
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		<title>By: Samir Mathur</title>
		<link>http://news.opensuse.org/2010/10/20/opensuse-ass-kickin-keynote/comment-page-1/#comment-19481</link>
		<dc:creator>Samir Mathur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 02:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SuSe has been an excellent revelation to me,the concept of open source itself is one where I can see everyone and everything converging in due time.My personal opinion is,to spend more time with the operating system,contemplating on the functioning, open a landscape of thoughts and this thoughts,as rightly stated by Henne shouldn&#039;t be treated as miniscule.I bet open source is one community where one doesn&#039;t need to fear to exercise one&#039;s thought as the essence of this community lies in mutual understanding and the power of collaboration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SuSe has been an excellent revelation to me,the concept of open source itself is one where I can see everyone and everything converging in due time.My personal opinion is,to spend more time with the operating system,contemplating on the functioning, open a landscape of thoughts and this thoughts,as rightly stated by Henne shouldn&#8217;t be treated as miniscule.I bet open source is one community where one doesn&#8217;t need to fear to exercise one&#8217;s thought as the essence of this community lies in mutual understanding and the power of collaboration.</p>
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		<title>By: Toran Korshnah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toran Korshnah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SuSE has Yast. A unique tool which allows the users to tweak /etc/sysconfig like no other distro does. I often change distro, but always return to SuSE. I&#039;ve been using SuSE since 6.0.
I still think SUSE is the best distro around.And that after all those years...
That&#039;s why I promote SuSE on my website http://www.greencraftwicca.org.
Yes, constructed with...Well, what do you think???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SuSE has Yast. A unique tool which allows the users to tweak /etc/sysconfig like no other distro does. I often change distro, but always return to SuSE. I&#8217;ve been using SuSE since 6.0.<br />
I still think SUSE is the best distro around.And that after all those years&#8230;<br />
That&#8217;s why I promote SuSE on my website <a href="http://www.greencraftwicca.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.greencraftwicca.org</a>.<br />
Yes, constructed with&#8230;Well, what do you think???</p>
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		<title>By: theo</title>
		<link>http://news.opensuse.org/2010/10/20/opensuse-ass-kickin-keynote/comment-page-1/#comment-19474</link>
		<dc:creator>theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i&#039;m with suse 10 of those 18 yrs and i never really regretted it ... yes there was this learning to do at the beginning (afterall, linux is not for the lazy), it take a little longer to tweak the system, but then linux in general and opensuse in particular mean freedom other platforms (windows and/or osX) can&#039;t provide ... suse rocks, and i hope we keep rocking ... theo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m with suse 10 of those 18 yrs and i never really regretted it &#8230; yes there was this learning to do at the beginning (afterall, linux is not for the lazy), it take a little longer to tweak the system, but then linux in general and opensuse in particular mean freedom other platforms (windows and/or osX) can&#8217;t provide &#8230; suse rocks, and i hope we keep rocking &#8230; theo</p>
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		<title>By: prealphanerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>prealphanerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are there girls in the photographs?! 
;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there girls in the photographs?!<br />
;-)</p>
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