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openSUSE 11.3 EOL’ed, 12.2 On The Way!

January 21st, 2012 by

SUSE Progression Cycles

 

As Benjaman Brunner announced yesterday, openSUSE 11.3 has reached end of life.  As a quick refresher, openSUSE releases new versions every 8 months, and each version has a life cycle of 18 months.  As 11.3 was released in July of 2010, the time has come to embrace our newer versions, including the successful release of 12.1 in November of 2011.

As Brunner’s announcement indicates, we worked hard to maintain 11.3 while developing its subsequent two releases (11.4 and 12.1.) And of course, we’re already gearing up for 12.2, slated for release in July.  And the first milestone release is already just around the corner.  You’ll be able to try out Milestone 1 on February 9th.

The roadmap for openSUSE 12.2 is as follows:

9 February – Milestone 1
3 March – Milestone 2
5 April – Milestone 3
26 April – Milestone 4
24 May – Beta 1
14 June – Release Candidate 1
28 June – Release Candidate 2
6 July – Gold Master
11 July – 12.2 Final Release

As always, testers and contributors are welcome throughout the release development process.  Join the Factory Mailing List and have a lot of fun!

Graphic courtesy of Michael Fox – openSUSE Artwork Team member.

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29 Responses to “openSUSE 11.3 EOL’ed, 12.2 On The Way!”

  1. chika

    Fair enough, though I was never impressed with 11.3. Just as I am not impressed with 12.1 – too many problems encountered. I can honestly say that 11.4 is probably the best version I’ve used to date, having used it at home and at work. The only good thing I can say of 12.1 is its update to KDE3 – it seems like somebody finally acknowledged that KDE4 isn’t quite ready for everybody – but the buggy boot system needs much work. Hopefully 12.2 will deliver.

    But then every distro has its dodgy releases.

    • Slobodan

      11.4 is the best one so far but with many updates already in 12.1 its mature enough for me to switch some noobs of mine. In 11.3 Gnome was the way to go although Im a KDE user.
      Its the cost of progress. Just keep em rolling guys

    • Nick (steelskin)

      I can honestly say 12.1 is the best version I have used to date, I have had no problems with Browsing, Amarok or KDE generally which are the main programs I use. The only problem I have come across which is rare ie once very few weeks is sound not working in the browsers. /etc/init.d/alsasound restart solves that. Otherwise I find it very stable.

    • kahaja

      Unfortunately the fact is you cannot use 12.1 in working areas.
      Have you ever compared zipping files together in KDE Linux and Windows?
      or creating a new folder in a full existing folder? marking many subsequent files or multiple single to do anything with it? The new KDE is horrible. Gnome is a bit better here.

      My son (13) said to me: “I don’t like Linux because it’s to easy to accidently destroy it!”. He means the desktop and he is right. Indeed it is very easy to play a bit around and having a desktop you can’t use anymore.

      In beeing more and more colorful you missed usability and you see, not only the “old men” notice these faults but also the kids.

      Esp. openSUSE seems to be very experimental, while the “less” experimental system SLED lacks functionality. In the past you could use 11.2 sources to add this missing functionality but this isn’t supported anymore.

      Though i am a real fan of openSUSE and their work i think i will change to Ubuntu over time.

  2. Norbert B

    kmail 2 in 12.1 is a show stopper. hanging on to 11.2 and 11.4

    • Neil Darlow

      A migration from kmail to kmail2 will leave a broken system. Cleaning out kmail configuration files and ensuring that kwallet only contains entries for imap and mailtransports has led to a functional kmail2 installation for me. This is using an imap and smtp server. The only issue I have is the duplicated e-mails that result from employing client-side filters (just the anti-spam one) but that’s a well known, and long-standing, feature of kmail.

  3. See this link:

    https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=742758

    https://features.opensuse.org/312580

  4. JWolfe

    Kmail has been steadily getting worse for some time, not to mention the akonadi-googlemail saga. The upgrade to Kmail2 was the final straw. Now I use thunderbird – sorted! I think this is a shame because the KDE 3 set of PIM programmes really worked well together.

    That done, 12.1 is good. The new boot system does seem faster. On several machines I have had to do an upgrade (for file conversion) followed by a fresh install to get everything working properly, but that’s not a new experience for me.

  5. Jonatan

    The best version I have had is version 11.1.
    Full hardware support on my devices.
    And the best of it was the KDE v3.5
    I am still trying to install KDE v3.5 in opensuse121
    Anybody knows how I can compile kde3.5 as one single huge executable without dependencies?
    That way I can run it everywhere.
    And just in case: how to upgrade 11.1 to use rpm files with lzo support.
    That openSuse111 can’t use the latest rpms is my only problem with it.

  6. Goldwingman

    The Gnome interface in 12.1 was a real shock! But, I can live with it. Having spent many years working in the Unix environment, I always hoped for an alternative to Microsoft Windows.
    Well folks, we now have that alternative. I’ve asked many people if they REALLY enjoyed working with MS Windows. Most say it’s great! When asked what alternative operating systems they have used……you mean there is something else out there?

    Opensuse has been a terrific gift. It’s free! I can only hope that those that are complaining are on the list of contributors to the development of this alternative to Windows.

  7. ThomasP

    12.1 is a disaster for me. Kmail2 is unusable as I need to retain existing email. Previously with the introduction of Akonadi, the syncing PIM data with external devices was killed.

    I have a suggestion. When you start changing things that affect EVERYTHING at once, do it so that it is optional. DO NOT FORCE USERS WHO DEPEND ON THEIR COMPUTERS TO ASSIST WITH DEBUGGING THE MESS. You may think that since a few things work, everyone will think it is OK. IT IS NOT!

    You developers should know that in Linux many people use many things that are tied together. You cannot make major changes to the way things work without MANY unintended consequences and people using your software suffer for it even though it may not impact you because you do not use certain functions or features. Yes, I know it is not necessarily the OpenSUSE developers. But have a heart people, many of us use Linux as our main means of computing.

    Many of us left Windows because of the mess there. I have been encouraging people to swap to Linux. Unfortunately, I now have less problems with my machine at work (Windows) than all of my home machines that run OpenSUSE.

    OK, I am through venting now. But if some of this is not fixed in the next revision without creating more additional issues, I and many others will be forced to look to other distributions or (God help us all) go back to Windows so I can have a more consistently functional computer.

    • Norbert B

      I fully agree with ThomasP.

      The irony is, the windows machine I have now is the stable one. Kmail2 and Akonadi is a show stopper. My current kmail is about 36gig. On a test machine I tried to migrate. The machine ran for 3days then froze.

      If this Akonadi and kmail2 mess is not resolved, then 11.4 will be the end of the road for me. I simply need a machine which provides flexibility and works. 12.1 does not meet these criteria.

      I have been using SuSE since 7.1. And its sad to see how this OS gradually got destroyed.
      You guys really need to think about the consequences of your changes, do some soul searching and hopefully get on the right track again.

      • Anonymous

        I’m still on OpenSUSE 11.1, so I missed all the “excitement” of upgrading. One thing I might add here is that an 8 month lifecycle with constant patching tends to turn off people who just want a stable environment to get their work done. I’ve been with Suse since 9.2, and don’t upgrade that often. I agree with the previous posters that you need to be careful with your upgrades so they don’t break things that were working before.

      • AlisterB

        I also agree with these sentiments – but I would add that the bulk of the problems now relate to KDE4 and KMail2, BUT SUSE CANNOT ABSOLVE RESPONSIBILITY.
        Suse is a distribution, a package – so I hope some of the developers or product managers with influence read this thread and will take steps to resolve the issues that have really boiled over in 12.1.
        Please help me return to being a fervent supporter and proponent of Suse 12.x !

      • Joseph

        Kmail 4.4 is in the opensuse build service. Just delete kmail 4.7, install 4.4, and everything will be back to normal.

  8. Instructions to install KDE 3.5.10 in openSUSE 12.1: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE3

    I just switched to KDE 3. KDE 4.7 is just not mature enough. You need quite good hardware to run smoothly. And it eats a lot of ram (700MB (kde4 + kernel)). KDE 3 + kernel run with 300MB. On the other side kde3 is not maintained anymore.

    In KDE 4.7 there is problem with nepomuk/akonadi/strigi. It has memory leak which took half of my swap. In my opinion desktop should be simple, fast, light and flexible.

  9. Bobby

    I have said it already and I will say it again: OpenSuse 12.1 is the worst update that I have made in 8 years of using Suse.
    KMail 2 was the worst thing that had happened to me on the desktop for years. It is a catastrophe!
    No sound in Skype and the system doesn’t boot faster as some claim. Everything that I need daily is just messed up!

    I have had only headaches up to now with this release and I do hope that the next version will get things fixed.
    Sometimes I have to wonder if the devs really test their software before releasing it.

    If you are new to Linux then you can try 12.1 but if you want to upgrade from an older version to 12.1 then I would say think twice.

    • Brian

      Couldn’t agree more. I’ve been gladly using SuSE since 2003. 12.1 is by far the worst version in that time. My Windows Vista machine is far better.

      I have tried it on two different PCs and both are so bad that I’ve needed to uninstall. Multiple crashes each day; I can only suspend or hibernate with about 50% success; one machine had such bad video and network support that I could neither log in graphically nor connect to a network. Absolute debacle.

      On one machine I backed off to 11.4. Haven’t made a final decision, but I’m most likely going to install Mint on the other instead.

  10. I`ve been using SuSE since version 5, than later Opensuse. It is very sad to see that passionate community and OS is gone. I use to evangelize people to use SuSE showing how easy it was to set a box to work – everything used to be so easy!
    Two years ago I saw the death of the Novell user group and the Opensuse group I organized. My students simply switched to another Linux distros or moved back to MS-Windows. I could no longer install out-of-the-box Opensuse in my systems. It is frustrating. Ubuntu recognizes everything in my notebook, but not Opensuse.
    I do not know where we lost the track but I wish I could get back to SuSE greatest times.
    Opensuse 12.1 is not great at all. If there is no other way, get together with Ubuntu or Mint and lets make a valuable desktop system to face MS-Windows. We had a chance once to tie with Microsoft on the desktop battle but now we are far behind, we are almost dead!

  11. Harland

    Thank you for all the hard work.
    I have been using SuSE since 7.2 (my first linux flavour) and have stuck with it through some tough bumps, though sometimes I can blame laziness for not trying out other distro’s. I use opensuse for business and pleasure and want/need a strong foundation, and opensuse has been solid for the most part. However, this thread is putting out a lot of negative vibes =), and I recently bumped from 10.3 to 12.1 hoping for the same stability (and functional conservatism).
    The new KDE4 paradigm is refreshing, but they have sacrificed many of the _tried_ and true use patterns we users get used to. So it seems there has been a slightly off track motivation for ‘glitz’ over ‘solid function’. And sad there is some abandonment of good KDE3 apps (many may not be ported to KDE4/Qt4), when a look-n-feel module or dcop//dbus ‘router’ would keep those trusty apps ‘almost’ first class citizens (not KDE3 relics), like when you need/want kprinter. And I still haven’t moved my kmail (using from KDE3 machine), as this is a life blood to my computer use (business and pleasure) and should show the most conservative development.
    I hope 12.2 will show the SuSE community is still thinking/motivated by solid and stable experience is better than glitz and candy.
    And thank you, just keep me satisfied =).

  12. I have been using 12.1 since it came out and have had little trouble with it except for one thing. My laptop is a low end Gateway lt3120. I could not get the graphical system to work until I added the nomodeset parameter. Apparently, my graphics adapter isn’t well supported yet but it is not a problem now. Overall, 12.1 works well for me.

    Thanks very much for providing an excellent distro of Linux.

  13. Jerome

    12.1 is the worst version i have been used. A lot of bugs and the kde desktop is so bad configged.

  14. Felix

    12.1 works great for me (but I don’t use Skype or Kmail). I prefer openSUSE (for my own machines) over Ubuntu. Yast is great. At work I am the only one with a Linux machine (I wanted one), and Yast made it very easy using in the network (MS and MAC boxes) – printing included.
    Ubuntu is great for my HTPCs and the “noobs of mine”. Easier to use than openSUSE, easier software installation.
    KDE 4.7 and 4.8 are a pleasure to work with. Often I open many files at the same time for different tasks (using up to 4 desktops). MS Windows would be a pain here. My KDE sometimes has small hiccups,yes, but as far as I can tell it’s the best desktop out there. Beats Win7 and Mac OS.

  15. Matthias Mailänder

    I read most people complaining about KDE 4 and mostly the KMail filtering bug. This is not a fault of openSUSE. For me a distributor should take care about hardware detection, system configuration and package software. Go to bugs.kde.org and vote for your favourite bugs, become a KDE e.V. member, pay a developer… Complaining here won’t help. I like how my DVB-S card worked out-of-the-box using openSUSE which was impossible with Ubuntu and the OpenBuildService is a lot more user-friendly then Launchpads PPA. Well YAST which makes SUSE quite unique seems a little bloated, but having a GUI for everything is a good idea for beginners. IMHO

    • Joseph

      The KMail bug IS the fault of OpenSUSE. In 11.4 they decided that KMail 4.6 was too buggy and kept 4.4 from 11.3 in the distribution instead – and OpenSUSE 11.4 got rave reviews, some hailing it as the best OpenSUSE release ever. It also had many discernible improvements (such as a large increase in zypper speed). Although KMail 4.7 is still too buggy, they went and included it anyway. There’s no way no one noticed that it’s configured incorrectly and that importing mail will fail as is. No one bothered to fix it or opt to fall back to 4.4. SystemD was switched to, but it wasn’t taken advantage of to actually make the system boot faster, so some users saw problems and no one saw any measurable improvements. Snapper was created, but btrfs wasn’t ready for production environments, so this too was something most people couldn’t use. The same with color calibration. The end result was this release saw several significant, avoidable bugs (not to mention it was the first OpenSUSE release with a kernel affected by the power regression bug) but most users didn’t experience any visible improvements like they did with 11.4. The mission statement that everyone worked so hard on declared that OpenSUSE favored stability over bleeding edge. That mission statement was ignored when developers decided to use KMail 4.7 and systemD before they were fully utilized and ready for daily use out-of-the-box. Both were originally scheduled for 11.4 but held back; this time they were squeezed in even though they still weren’t fully ready.

      No one’s complaining about out-of-the-box hardware functionality, YaST, the Build Service, etc. We love those things and that’s why we’re still SUSE users. What we are complaining about was that the mission statement was ignored and technologies that still weren’t ready were included in 12.1 and now we have to tell friends things like “You should really try OpenSUSE! Um, just don’t download the latest version, but the one before that’s really awesome….” Developers knew that there were bugs but chose not to hold the distro back for a few weeks and fix them, or much earlier on decide to fall back to KMail 4.4, etc.

  16. Miro

    12.1 after start switches automatically from VGA to HDMI connector and no possibility to change back to VGA. Unusable for me. Mainboard ASRock A75M-HVS with integrated Radeon CPU graphics. I confirm, that 2,5 TB disk with GPT table works OK, but must be inserted as clear or delete all partitions first. Not possibility to add Opensuse 12.1 to this disk to e.g. Windows partitions. If it is target, SuSe 12.1 must be installed as first OS. Due problem with unmanagable Radeon outputs, I will check Suse 11.4 .

  17. For me 11.2->11.4 has been the best so far. I use 11.3 on a server. Delivers really good. I use 11.4 as a desktop-computer(x86_64). Is more stable than my windows 7. That’s the reason for switching to 11.4. I tried installing 12.1(x86) with xfce on an old amd-machine but it wouldn’t run at the end of the day. So I’m still sticking to 11.4 until a stable/more usable version of 12.x comes out before I upgrade or install it as my Workstation.

  18. not telling

    I hated opensuse 11.3 kde couldn’t do wireless
    and gnome could not play videos